Hi John,
>Logically, if I were to become
>'enlightened', I would assume that I would cease to
>speak about it, since
> the attempt to communicate in words would be to
> totally distort the experience. Is that
> Wittgenstein? (About that which I cannot speak, I
>must needs be silent - or some such)
This is the position of Early Wittgenstein exactly.
BUT he realized that we do communicate about the
mystical through "language games" and "forms of life,"
which becomes the position of the late Wittgenstein.
Sam and I agree that early and late Wittgenstein are
complementary: realizing that there are things we
can't speak about MAKES us see how we communicate. I
think of that as "grunts and groans communication." We
can communicate the mystical but in a sort of
"performative" sort of way.
So I see the story of Lila as a performative
communication of Pirsig's experience which complements
his MOQ. Matching up my experience with Pirsig's
experience as shown in the book is the way that we
communicate mystically (verstehen). The verstehen
notion of understanding comes from Dilthey, Gadamer,
and Collingwood. (I'm not sure if Wilber has read up
on them or not). So it becomes consistent with the
MOQ: the MOQ is sq and the story is DQ!!! It's a
consistent way of reading the book Lila according to
the rules of the MOQ. Pirsig says DQ is "indefinable"
but it is "describable." Only Quality is
"indescriable." How do we communicate the
"indefinable?" Through stories. Through LILA for
Pirsig. And how do we communicate the definable?
Through a new metaphysics of Quality. Thus, by MOQ's
very own definition, focussing on solely the MOQ is
missing half of the MOQ hierarchy. DQ can be
communicated: via teaching, via stories, via
motorcycle maintenance. We know it when we see it.
It's just we can't put it in "definable" terms because
it is a "form of life (Lebensform)". Reading a story
is a form of life so in the act of reading the story
the author communicates his message of DQ.
Thus, you won't have to be silent like early
Wittgenstein. You just have to perform. Thus, I call
DQ the realm of the "show" and the sq the realm of the
"say." This list is heavily in the realm of the "say"
and I just want to make a call to bring us to a
holarchy of sorts: MOQ is a part of the Lila whole but
in being a part the MOQ is the whole. It's the way
that Bohm thinks of things.
Angus
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