MD Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 16:01:35 -0600

From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun May 05 2002 - 23:02:22 BST


Glenn and all metaphysicians:

Glenn said:
While I agree that scientific results have a greater chance of being true
than other pursuits of truth, I would be interested to know what Wilber
thinks science is actually denying in the "I and the we domains". He doesn't
say, but if he is talking about things like ESP, alien abductions, and
Shirley McClaine's past lives, I think it's proper for empirical science to
seriously question these claims of truth. In fact, only a very small number
of scientists and critical thinkers bother to do so.

Ken Wilber says:
"I suspect ritual satanic child abuse and UFO abduction are both powerful
examples of what happens to spiritual realities in a culture that denies
spiritual realities - souls washed ashore on an island of cultural
insincerity."

"I think the original impressions might go back to fulcrum 2, 1 or even
zero. (Early stages in childhood development). But again, they get
dramatically reworked. Maybe even some archetypal or Jungian material gets
activated - Jung thought UFOs were actually projected archetypes. The UFO
anal probe: where Freud meets Jung. Perhaps even some higher or spiritual
material gets injected into the impressions. But the impressions themselves
retain a very NARCISSISTIC worldview. Imagine: humanity is about to enter a
new phase, guided by a massive new alien intelligence. And of all the people
in the entire world, you are chosen to carry this message. In fact the
aliens are collecting semen or ova from you because they are inseminating a
new race, beginning a new race. And you are to be the father of this new
race, the mother of this new race. The new saviors are coming, a new virgin
birth is needed. You can't get much more narcissistic and egocentric than
that."

"The therapists investigating these phenomena had a real opportunity to make
pioneering observations on new forms of hysterical syndromes emerging as a
sign of our troubled times, but by and large they lost that opportunity by
allowing the vividness of the impressions to persuade them that they were
dealing with ontological realities. They converted phenomenology into
ontology."

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