hi Erin,
>> Elliot:
> Please give examples of collective morality that doesnt make
>> decsions for individuals.
>
>
> ERIN: freedom of speech
>> .freedom of assembly
>> .freedom of travel
>> .trial by jury
>> .habeas corpus
>> .government by consent
Elliot:
Right, those are collective morals that hand choice down to individuals.
If your idea of collective morality as one that says individuals get to
chose, then were in agreement. this collective morality seems like a lack
of a collective morality, but i guess we defined the terms differently
(that happens often between us). the collective morality I was arging
against was such things that societies often impose upon people for its own
social aims, such as patriotism (nationalism), the virtue of murdering in
warefare, social darwinism, etc. Maybe you can see why a CM (to abreviate)
that says hell, i dont care, do whatever you want (in these specific
areas), didnt seem like a CM to me.
There is however interpretation that goes into these broad goals that make
them the sort of imposing CM i was talking about. Trial by Jury for
example requires a defined legal system with an idea of "jury" deicded by
outside forces. What if i think its better to be tried by only the people
involved in the incident, thats a jury, but not the American jury.
Government by consent also defines consent as majority. I dont consent, do
i get to be outside the government? No, rather, a government i dont agree
with imposes CM on me that i dont want, and yet the government by consent
right is seen as up held by the population in general.
Elliot
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