Willem & all,
--- "W. Beekhuizen" <willem.md@wxs.nl> wrote:
> Pirsig tells us in LILA (p. 255 Bantam dec 92):
> It seems as though any static mechanism that is
> open to Dynamic Quality
> must also be open to degeneracy - to falling back to
> lower forms of quality.
I agree. My argument is that Fortuyn's probable
election to office (before he was assasinated) would
have been a degeneracy. He gained popularity by
playing on people's prejudices and irrational fears
(the immigrants are taking all the jobs, and their
crazy beliefs are going to destroy our way of life).
Yes, the social welfare system would have probably
benefitted from Fortuyn's conservative economic
reforms, but that is no reason to degrade intellectual
values.
> In my eyes Pim Fortuyn had a lot of Dynamic Quality.
> More and more people in
> The Netherlands did see him as a savior. Especially
> since the political
> (static) majority tried to prevent him peacefully to
> become a majority.
What do you mean by, "Fortuyn had a lot of Dynamic
Quality"? Are you talking about the fact that he
wanted to make economic reforms to help the economy,
or the fact that he blamed immigrants for economic and
social disharmony, and thusly wanted to close the
borders? I'll admit that his economic reforms could be
seen as Dynamic, but I don't think he was really
playing with any new ideas. However, his ideas about
immigrants, Muslims in particular, are definitely not
new or original or revolutionary, and only lead to
degeneracy.
I'm an American, let's use the good ole U.S. of A. as
an example. You could track the political manueverings
of the Bush administration (conservative) from day
one, and you would find a pattern of intellectual
values being opposed and beaten by social values. I've
seen it every day since Bush was selected President by
our Supreme Court. Planned parenthood funding cut,
life-saving research opposed by "Judeo-Christian
ethic" made illegal, no attempt to stop Israeli abuse
of Palestinian's until too late, and the stripping of
rights from all those of ethnic groups that might
support "terror" (which basically means immigrants,
they must consider McVeigh an American anomoly).
Also, I would arque that just because a segment of
Dutch society viewed him as a saviour doesn't mean he
is one, or that he had dynamic ideas. Nearly every
western country has a segment of people that views
Hitler as a saviour.
I'm not really sure what you mean by, "the political
(static) majority tried to prevent him peacefully to
become a majority." If you are reffering to his
assassination, he was killed by an individual not a
political majority. However, if you are reffering to
his demonization by media and those in power, I don't
see how it's any different than the way he demonized
immigrants and Muslims. Tasting your own medicine is
sometimes a bitter experience.
> But (p.256),
> How do you tell the saviors from the
> degenerates?
> .The problem is that you can't really say
> whether a specific change is
> evolutionary at the time it occurs.
Yes, how do we tell the saviours from the degenerates?
If the answer does lie in being able to judge whether
a specific change is evolutionary, then we can
immediately place Fortuyn in the degenerate pile. His
ideas on immigration, as a source of social woe, are
irrational and if enstated would lead to social values
triumphing over intellectual values. Must we repeat
mistakes from the past before we can say, "Oh yes, he
was definitely a degenerate and not a saviour". Should
we allow another Hitler (I'm just using him as an
example, and not equating Fortuyn to Hitler) to
cleanse a few hundred million people before we judge
him or her a degenerate? We might not be able to
identify saviours at first glance, but we can
definitely use the MOQ to eliminate a few degenerates.
I'm all for heresy, but I don't need the degeneracy.
-Jason
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