Hi erin,
she said:
>Annotation #41-- The virus is the boundary because it is the simplest
>organism
>that contains DNA. I have read there is some dispute about the virus being
>living or dead, and I take this dispute as evidence that it is the
>boundary.
>
>The dispute whether the MOQ is part of the intellectual level may be
>evidence
>that it is the boundary right? This seems to say that the fuzziness of the
>boundary is okay right?
>
>I was trying to decide whether it was possible to name the all disputable
>boundaries. Virus numero uno then...human?
Elliot:
First, although i agree that the virus points to fuzzy borders i think that
it odd that virii werent the first biological patterns as far as i know.
The simplicity of virii require more complicated biological patterns to
reproduce themselves.
Second, this idea of the MoQ as the bridge between intel and a new higher
level is something i thought about before. the new level would be i guess
mystical enlightenment, which trancends logic and is much more
individualistic than social patterns (ie. not just ceasing intel patterns).
I think however that a better answer is to clarify the intel level
definition to include enlightenment as the most dynamic aspect and the MoQ
as a purely intellectual advancement. Where does this leave SOM? SOM was
born of the social level for social projects such as domination of nature
and such. despite the use of intellect to develope itself, SOM is an
amazingly social advancement and the MoQ is much more of the intellectual
level. Note: the values of SOM are social values, hence its defectiveness
for the intel level, where the MoQ has intel values. a 5th level is very
far in the future if ever.
As for examples of blurry boundries, i offer this list which i just came up
with and havent reviewed at all:
Chaos/inorganic: Hydrogen or H+ (its just a proton, chaos, but we can think
of it as a positivly charged inorganic atom)
Inorganic/biological: Virii
Biological/social (despite pirsigs claim of the well defined
objective/subjective split here): lichen, perhaps ants?
as tyhe levels evolve and the value patterns get more complex, the boundries
have more examples of bluriness
social/intel: early man when symbol manipulation was just developing as a
social tool all the way up to beaucracracy (intel units still latched
hopelessly in subordination to social patterns)
Like i said, this list was spur of the moment and i dont cling to it at all,
just a suggestion.
Elliot
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