In a message dated 5/25/02 4:40:29 PM GMT Daylight Time,
gershomdreamer@yahoo.com writes:
<< Subj: Re: MD Schematic
Date: 5/25/02 4:40:29 PM GMT Daylight Time
From: gershomdreamer@yahoo.com (Gary Jaron)
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Hi Erin,
We agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: enoonan <enoonan@kent.edu>
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Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 8:52 PM
Subject: MD Schematic
> GARY: Classic Quality and Romantic Quality are human constructs. They are
ways
> that humans devised to divide up the world. They are not the same as
Dynamic
> - Static Quality. Dynamic & Static are inherent in the nonverbal objects.
All
> things human and nonhuman have aspects of Dynamic and Static Quality
within
> them.
>
> ERIN: All things human and nonhuman have aspects of dynamic and static
Quality
> within them but dynamic and static are human constructs also. These
constructs
> also divide the world. Dynamic and Static quality may be inherent in the
> nonverbal objects but without these constructs do they "know" that. Humans
may
> "know" this through classic and romantic perspectives but can we know it
> through both perspectives simultaneously. Have you really dissolved the
> duality with a linear diagram or is a linear diagram just a duality
without an
> explicit divider.
Gary: All things human and nonhuman are holons, and one of the properties of
all things that are holons is that they have Dynamic -- Static Quality.
Dynamic -- Static Quality is like gravity. They are all nonverbal forces
which existed since the beginning of the creation of the universe and thus
before humans who came to recognize the phenomenon and thus invented the
words Dynamic and Static Quality. The words are human constructs and the
words point toward non-human, pre-verbal and still very real phenomenon. My
map is linear because we think in linearity. It is a feeble human attempt
to illustrate the simultaneous continuous interaction that is going on, but
in order to derive any understanding we humans must create static
illustrations -- maps of what is going on and then describe our created
static maps. These static maps exhibit to us a sequential nature for our
sample of some of the events taking place. Duality is not a contradiction
but a part of the complementarity aspect of reality. Complementarity as in
the principle articulated by Niels Bohr. See Pirsig's essay "Subjects,
Objects, Data and Values" posted at the web site. Also I will be submitting
an essay discussing Pirsig's essay and the concept of Complementarity. The
essay will be entitled: 'On the Making of Maps of Reality.'
>>
Hi there,
Your approach here is confused in my view.
I feel you have a severe predisposition to locking into classic mode of
thought?
The MOQ is a postulation, and as far as postulates go i feel it to have high
value.
In your writing above you mention other postulates among which are: Mapping,
Holons, dualism, complementarily.
If non of these other postulates have greater value than the MOQ then what is
the point of going on about them other than to show them to be less adiquate
than the MOQ itself?
Note: I do not suggest there is only one way of interpreting experience, but
i do suggest there to be a most comprehensive and best way.
I fear in trying to feel my way through Romantic quality i have uncovered
much Classic clutter to which i do not subscribe. I find Wilburian waffle to
have added to this woefully expansive pile.
All the best,
Squonk.
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