Friends, Romans, country men & women, lend me your eyes!
David Buchanan said:
> I snipped most of this message simply to focus on what seems like the most
> crucial question: where does the intellectual level begin? Pirsig says
that
> he felt it was not necessary to define the 4th level because anyone up to
> the task of reading Lila should already know what it is. In response to
> questions about it, however, he provides a definition in Lila's Child.
> There, the operative phrase, the key phrase is "manipulation of
> language-derived symbols". And it seems that understanding the difference
> between the 3rd and 4th level depends upon comprehending that key phrase.
Gary's response: Hmm. I had always thought that the Intelectual stable
pattern level, the 4th level was internal to a indididual human being and
his/her experience of life & of understanding life. It is all the stuff and
events that were commonly associated with the word "mind". Pirsig in Lila's
Child footnote 24 says as much. This leaves the 3rd level, the Social l
stable patterns as interaction & communication between two or more human
beings. The Social Level is all about the products of individual humans
acting together, or contributing to human culture, or humans simply
interacting on a human level. 4th is internal & individual and 3rd was both
external and collective. We are just stuck with poor choices, in my
opinion, by Pirsig in calling the 3rd level Social and the 4th level
Intelectual. They are clumsy words.
Giving you your eyes back,
Gary
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