Gary and Y'all:
Gary's response: Hmm. I had always thought that the Intelectual stable
pattern level, the 4th level was internal to a indididual human being and
his/her experience of life & of understanding life. It is all the stuff and
events that were commonly associated with the word "mind". Pirsig in Lila's
Child footnote 24 says as much. This leaves the 3rd level, the Social l
stable patterns as interaction & communication between two or more human
beings. The Social Level is all about the products of individual humans
acting together, or contributing to human culture, or humans simply
interacting on a human level. 4th is internal & individual and 3rd was both
external and collective. We are just stuck with poor choices, in my
opinion, by Pirsig in calling the 3rd level Social and the 4th level
Intelectual. They are clumsy words.
DMB says:
I see what you mean, but think its only a little true. The 4th levels SEEMS
more individualistic in some respects, but I think that is only because as
we go up the hierarchy of being static patterns become increasingly
differentiated. But to construe collectivity vs. individuality as the main
distinction between the social and intellectual causes problems. The
scientific method, for example, requires a community, peer review and such.
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