Hi Squonk:
> This is most patronising of you Platt.
> Social values expand upon the suppression of biological values and to this
> extent there are many societies in the world that do this very well. Many
> native American tribes are good examples of this.
I ask for examples of societies with no money that have high social
values and you give me American Indians? You must be using language
creatively and expressing your enjoyment of irony again. Likewise with
your following statements:
> By relation to material quality i have in mind the motorcycle.
> If one cares about the motorcycle then the caring is reflected in the
> material quality of the cycle. There is really no distinction between cycle
> and one's attitude as the real cycle you are working on is yourself. Money
> disrupts these relationships as one is not directly involved in a
> relationship with material quality if material quality amounts to figures
> on your bank balance. Money can by prostitutes, presidential campaigns,
> personal armies and all sorts of low quality stuff. If you buy something
> for yourself you don't own it until you have affected and been affected by
> it/them. Its all about personal relationships i feel.
Last time I looked it takes a lot of money to buy a motorcycle that one
can then "relate" to.
> It seems to me you view ethics from an agent perspective.
> I find agent centred ethics tends to remove the 'you' from the picture,
> i.e. there is no 'you' in the relationship. Character ethics was what the
> Greeks went in for and for them arte ruled not wealth.
>
> Water is required for biological maintenance.
> Museums are static institutions in static geographic locations.
> I'm not sure why you have brought these in except to have them flaunted in
> some way? From a social perspective we need to support biological values up
> to a point, (provide basic necessities such as water and food, etc.) and
> lay rather less emphasis on the obscene hoarding of personal
> (dis)interests.
I have no idea what you mean by 'agent centered ethics.' A creative use
of language no doubt. Yes, water is a biological necessity and thus
worth a lot of money when it is scarce. As for static locations and static
institutions, they are as needed for survival as material water and
Dynamic forces. Pirsig writes:
"Although Dynamic Quality, the Quality of freedom, creates this world in
which we live, these patterns of static quality, the quality of order,
preserve our world. Neither static nor Dynamic Quality can survive
without the other." Chp. 9.
It seems we are entirely different planets, Squonk. I'm happy with mine
and I hope you are as equally content even though you seem resentful
of those who make a lot of money. (-:
Platt
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