--- enoonan <enoonan@kent.edu> wrote:
> Yes Wim has proposed that
> intellect level is concious and social level is unconscious. This is
> very
> intuitive to me but there is one thing that is still not clicking.
> Something can be conscious one moment and then can be unconscious at
> another
> moment but it doesn't change from intellectual to social levels.
Hello Erin (and others),
Sorry for not jumping in the discussion in light of the Pirsig-levels: I
indeed always considered it a 'degenerative' aspect of his work,
although I don't claim discussing it thouroughly (eh... spelling?) on
the web is fruitless.
My addition here is about the notion of the 'unconsciousness'. I always
felt and still feel uncomfortable with this notion. That is because we
only know consciousness. The unconsciousness is (as you say) no more
conscious when you ... bring it into consciousness. Thus, we can never
experience the unconsciousness. It is some kind of 'inference' we make.
> Also you said feeling and reason require mental activity.
> Well I am conscious of my feelings too and I think it affects
> reasoning (example so mad I can't think straight).
> I think consciousness like mental activity is both reason and
> emotion.
Yes, I agree that mental activity is both 'rational' and 'emotional'.
But this is a kind of cliche which can mean many things. I think the
word 'attitude' is a good name for the kind of mental state we're always
in, and that it usually remains pretty constant in our daily lives. To
refer to the title of this thread, I think it's pretty obvious that our
attitudes can't be reduced to or split in two categories, some things
belonging to the 'rational', others to the 'emotional'. They form a
unity; they are intertwined and their boundaries are vague. Or better:
They are one thing, not two (or more). Like the romantic way of seeing
things always contains a classical aspect, and vice versa. If emotion
and reason were entirely seperable, it would be theoretically possible
to experience ONLY emotions, or ONLY reasons.
No no no, I'm not doing justice to my intuitions here about these
things. Sometimes I am conscious that I'm nearly always chattering in my
mind. The one monologue follows the other. It's a habit we humans have
that cannot be stopped easily, and trying to force it just like that is
impossible. How to describe the non-chattering and the chattering mind?
Is the one romantic and emotional, and the other classical and rational?
Okay, I've got to do other things, greetings, Patrick.
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