Re: MD language-derived

From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Sat Jun 22 2002 - 21:40:29 BST


Dear Scott,

A few additional remarks (not included in other postings) about your 20/6
18:11 -1000 posting to Bo:
You will have understood from my 22/6 17:26 +0200 posting to Bo (if not
earlier)
1) that I agree with 'Barfield's point ... that SOM -the clear separation of
the subject from the object- wasn't possible until this evolution of
consciousness [post-Homeric Greeks starting "think about" things] occurred'
but
2) that I disagree with you that this implies 'that prior to the
post-Homeric Greeks, there wasn't an intellectual level'.
According to me the intellectual level contains more than S/O-thinking.

Regarding 'thinking' and 'feeling' you might be interested in what I wrote
3/6 23:26 +0200 to Sam:
'Jung distinguished 4 different aspects of consciousness: sensation,
thought,
emotion and intuition. In an almost classical SOM-way he (or one of his
followers, June Singer, my source, Liz Greene, is not clear about that)
wrote:
'[A thing] is perceived as something that exists (sensation), it is being
recognized as such and distinguished (thought), it is being evaluated as
pleasant or unpleasant (emotion) and finally intuition tells us where it
came from and is heading for'.
If Jung would have endorsed a MoQ, he would have put emotion first,
sensation second, thought third and intuition (still) last.
I tend to present these aspects of consciousness in a different way:
- sensation and intuition are alternative ways of perceiving reality (=
quality),
- thought and emotion are alternative ways of judging reality (producing
secondary judgements, to be distinguished from the primary judgements that
are inherent in experiencing reality/quality!),
- sensation and thought are conscious processes leading to conscious
conclusions (perceptions resp. secondary judgements) and
- intuition and emotion are unconscious processes leading to conscious
conclusions (perceptions resp. secondary judgements).'

('Conscious' and 'unconscious' are to be interpreted as 'aware' and
'subconscious'.)

With friendly greetings,

Wim

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