On 20 Jun 2002 at 15:15, Patrick v.d. Berg wrote:
> Bo, to say we can experience the unconsciousness from the outside is
> interesting. I take it as the unconsciousness having an ontological
> status, not just an epistemological one: Although we can't experience
> the unconscious directly (in my terminology), it nevertheless is REAL.
Dear Patrick
Can't recall having said anything like this.
> I'm not sure if I get "the conscious is part of the unconscious in an
> active state". Do you mean simply that consciousness is a kind of active
> state of the brain? If so, I disagree with it. I associate (maybe
> wrongly) it with the view that matter was somehow out there, until
> reproducing chemicals had found a sufficient complex enough organization
> to magically have a consciousness emerge out of it. I think experience
> (consciousness) was (and is) there first (to avoid a common
> misinterpretation, consciousness I don't merely mean SELF-consciousness.
> Matter of terminology).
....nor this if it is me you are addressing? Having been off-line for some time (and not able to
muster the energy to wade through all the messages) I don't know to what degree you
people have come in solving the "consciousness" enigma, but judging from these cryptic
statements (whoever the author) it doesn't look promising :-). Can't we start afresh when I
am back from our vacation trip?
Bo
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