hey squonk,
You said:
>OK.
>So you move away from human centred values - something many would disagree
>with mind you, but what's this:
>Cosmos = chaos, organic?
>No, i mean cosmos = EVERYTHING.
Elliot:
Ok, i agree there. I thought perhaps you were one of those who thought
cosmos = everything = the most fundemental and furthest reaching level. Im
glad that you know that although the inorganic (or chaotic) is the most
fundemental, it is not All.
>For all you and i know there is a value level in the cosmos higher than
>human MOQ.
Yep.
>What the MOQ may say about this is that quality is fundamental and this
>fundamentality is the cosmos; a cosmos of quality.
>
>SOM may then be a product of human intellectual values destined to move
>higher/replace human intellect. I am of course talking about AI, but the
>term, 'Artificial' may be inappropriate if one feels the cosmos to be
>conscious in all its entirety?
Oh, so AI is what this is about. Well, first of all, SOM isnt fundemental
to AI, reason is. the MoQ still uses reason but a more encompassing reason
than som, so i dont think the MoQ is a wrong turn because it encompasses SOM
and trancends it (which is the direction of evolution). And about AI as
evolution, the significance of the consiousness depends on the complexity of
the pattern. AI is based on inorganic patterns, woven not by DQ but by
human hands or extensions of them. I hear scientists are trying to make
computers which store information biologically (DNA) because that would be
more efficent and reliable. then i imagine a social network of biological
computers, which share information and develop mediations which work better
for their circitry than english, would be the next step?
Im happy building on the levels that are already here rather than starting
all over. although AI would be a nice technological advancement, i dont see
a PC ever surpassing the buddha. ( i will explain, computers only work
within the context of their assignment, inorder to operate they must have
guidelines. do you envision microsoft making computers which decide their
job is boring and wish to pursue their own projects, or who decide
trancending logic is more worthwhile than doing math? the next step in
evolution is i believe trancending intellect, not reinventing it, widening
the scope of reason, not working within its bounds more efficently or
quickly.)
regardless, MoQ transcneds and includes SOM, if AI must be based on SOM and
cannot achieve MOQ or mystical logic then it is a lower evolutionary
product, not a higher one.
Elliot
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