Bo,
> PS You did not answer how you see "one/many" at the inorganic level.
Ok, let's take something we all probably have experienced and could
reasonable be led to agree upon. Let's try "lake". First let's agree
that "lake" is a combination of both inorganic and biological values,but
let's just focus on physical, inorganic ones. At the simplest lets say a
"lake" is "a geologic container that consistently over time holds a
relatively large quantity of water " So at the very least what we have
here is a group of two patterns: "water"+"water container" that in order
to exist consistently follow the physical laws of the inorganic level.
But pick either one of these two, say "water" and with a little
empirical investigation we find that it, in this case, is a pattern of
hydrogen and oxygen with traces of various other inorganic chemicals
suspended in solution. Now we could pursue this line both up and down in
scale for both "water" and "container". But I'm sure you would agree
that what we have in "lake" is a very large group of values which when
they all follow the various rules or laws of inorganic level somehow
hang together to form the pattern of values we call lake.
We could move on up through all the levels like this and show that what
we rarely if ever experience a singular value, or a single pattern of
value. Rather what we a experiencing is groups of patterns. So singling
out "social" which is by definition a group pattern we end up having
one level of the four which is exclusively about groups of patterns and
just human values to boot.
Then we go on to Pirsig's Lila's Child comment:
> "24. In Lila I never defined the intellectual level of the MOQ, since
> everyone who is up to reading Lila already knows what "intellectual"
> means. For purposes of MOQ precision let's say that the intellectual
> level is the same as mind. It is the collection and manipulation of
> symbols, created in the brain, that stand for patterns of experience."
If so, then two interrelated questions come to my "mind".
How do social values, which Pirsig claims are exclusively human, come
about with out "mind" or "intellect"?
Or if social values are not exclusively human what distinguishes them
from other animal "minds"?
My take of course is that "mind" or "intellect" emerged with human
consciousness. And social patterns of value are not a separate level but
biological and intellectual values some exclusively human other similar
to, or common with other species.
3WD
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