----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Jaron <gershomdreamer@yahoo.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: MD Consciousness
> Hi Scott...
> Spell checkers can be such a problem and typing in a rush can also be a
> problem!
>
> Minor corrections of my last post: I ended with "Pirsig does believe in
an
> indecent
> physical reality." I meant to have typed: Pirsig dose believe in an
> independent physical reality.
>
> Thinking back on your e-mails concerning Merrell-Wolff, it seems that you
do
> not believe in an independent to a human observer physical world. You are
> subscribing to a "All is Maya/Illusion" approach similar to if not the
same
> as Hindu teachings.
>
> I am coming from a Jewish Philosophic perspective that believes that the
> physical universe is the crowning glory of creation.
>
> Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, and Christianity are all in varying degrees
> anti-this worldly. They all de-emphasize the importance of the physical
> universe. They all were religions/philosophies that focused on gaining
> believers from those who suffered the most: the poor and the
> disenfranchised. Hence a logical appeal to the best things in life is not
> in life but will be your rewards when you leave the body. This philosophy
> seems to ethically lead to a disregard for the sacredness of the physical
> world. Which can and does lead to a lack of concern with conserving the
> environment and a lack of concern toward making the current status quo a
> better place. Judaism with its this worldly approach and a belief in a
> better future/ the coming of the messiah: focused on a real world vision
of
> ever-lasting peace. A world of every day toil but no fear and no war and
no
> hatred. Check out Micah chapter 4:1-5.
>
> The differences between our views stems from my principle of "people
shape,
> and are shaped by, ideas." Your views comes out of your experiences and
my
> views come out of mine. We see the world in ways that makes sense based
on
> the ideas we were raised with and the ideas that we acquired as we grew
up.
>
> The same principle to explain the difference in world views of Judaism to
> the rest of the major religions. Those cultures were shaped by their
> history and their situations and the kind of people they were appealing
to,
> and lastly to the leaders/founders personal and historical contexts.
>
> One last comment: the situation that is currently going on in the middle
> east. The Current beliefs of the Israel and the actions of its government
> is from my perspective a complete contradiction to true ethical and
> philosophic teaching of Rabbinic Judaism. Israel is not a model of
Rabbinic
> Judaism as I understand it.
>
> Gary
>
>
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