all this talk about ego i want to put in this
excerpt from this book because i thought it was interesting...
i mentioned the book before because it had Pirsig on
the back giving praises. "Thank You and OK: An American
Zen Failure in Japan"
This scene is two American monks. One was trying to mail
this card and kept getting all this wrong info about
when/where to do it by a Japanese monk. He said he couldn't
tell whether he was being absentminded or doing it on purpose.
"Maybe it was a mistake. Naaa, it's the old torque-the-individual routine
(squeezing fists in opposite directions as ringing out a rag).
He might be doing it unconsciously but it adds up the same. It's one
of the things that they think is essential about training. It's
not Buddhist---it's Japanese.
"You mean stepping on the individual"
"Exactly"
....
"hmm. In Mexico this sort of thing happened all the time with directions
and information. Everyone tells you the wrong time or place and
nothing works out. But it wasn't to mold you to the group.
There was no purpose. They just don't care. I came to be quite
fond of the lifestyle. I learned to relax there and to let go."
"Well here you are going to learn to be uptight and to hold on
to the group or whatever the group wants as told to you by the senior.
The purpose of in Japanese Zen temples isn't to help you along
the path to enlightenment it is to culutivate you into a mind
a refined and obsolete Japanese priest for Japanese temples."
they then went and asked a Japenese monk about this.
yes it is partly true because after all they were in Japan but
it is still an opportunity to follow Buddha's way under the guidance
and don't waste time wishing conditions were perfect.
The important thing is to do your best while you are here to
practice in harmony with everyone.
1. Squonk i would be interested in hearing more in the differencs in a
loss of ego for intellect vs loss of ego for the social
2.Platt did you want to go to Mexico to relax and
mull over the purpose of evolution? just kidding
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>> What does MoQ say about Trans-Intellect?
>>
>> André
>>
>
>Hi Andre,
>I feel the MOQ could say, if it is looked at from a certain angle, that
>groups of people may merge in resonating pattern of intellectual value,
>something analogous to a standing wave, that is coalescent?
>Negro spirituals emerged from a group 'consciousness' that involved a very
>powerful dissolution of individuality within a wider ceremony? Maybe there is
>an intellectual counterpart - the idiom, 'Brainstorming session' may convey
>something of its flavour?
>I suspect the development of quantum mechanics involved a cloud of
>intellectual values that ordinary language would regard as a group of
>individuals?
>
>All this could be developed more? But Bo and those of his ego driven ilk are
>far too interested in making a name for themselves.
>I find that increasingly sickening.
>
>All the best,
>Squonk.
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