Dear Platt,
The subject/object-distinction is a problem as a metaphysical presumption,
as a supposedly inherent first cut of Reality. The map/territory would be
too. As a metaphor I don't see a problem in it, as long as you are clear
what IS the metaphysics that you want to use as a context.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
Aan: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Verzonden: dinsdag 27 augustus 2002 17:01
Onderwerp: MD Stuck with Map/Territory?
> Hi Scott, John B., Gary, Bo, Wim, Dan, All:
>
> In responding to Gary's questions I used the old map/territory metaphor.
> But as I did so I felt a vague sense of discomfort, fearing that I had
> inadvertently fallen into the SOM trap. Then, in reviewing some previous
> posts I noticed Scott said that map/territory "is ultimately as a bogus as
> the distinction between subject and object" and John B. agreed. I
> believe Bo has expressed similar reservations about the map/territory
> metaphor though I can't find a specific notation.
>
> However, Pirsig seems to be comfortable with the metaphor. In Chapter
> 8 he compares the MOQ to a North Pole map as opposed to the
> standard Mercator map. Also, in note 42 in Dan Glover's "Lila's Child"
> Pirsig says, ". . . the intellect is the manipulation of language-derived
> symbols for experience . . ." This sounds like map-making to me.
>
> Perhaps the answer lies in the observation Bo made recently that to
> explain something we have to use SOM (giving me the idea that the
> Intellectual Level might well be called the "Explanation Level.") So in
> trying to explain the MOQ, we fall into SOM assumptions out of
> necessity. Scott seemed to agree when he wrote, "all we can know are
> maps."
>
> If any of you would care to show me how to extricate myself for this
> quandary, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Platt
>
>
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