On 31 Aug 2002 at 22:31, Valence Valence wrote:
> If we had a nickel for every old-timer that thinks the world is
> going to
> hell in a handbasket we'd be wealthy. Older generations always seem
> to think that the world is going crazy, that morals are fading, that
> fashions have become ridiculous, that all the music their youngins are
> listening to is ear-grating noise, that politicians aren't as honest
> as they used to be...etc.
Hi Rick (good to see you buddy) and Erin (good question).
"Morals" the way we somishly treat it is SOCIAL value and in that sense it
has truly been in decline because SOM (or Intellect) has gradually taken
control over Society. Note that it was with the rise of S/O-intellect that the
erosion of morals was first heard of. (Socrates accused of corrupting the
young for instance).
With our s/o-intellectual glasses on we look back on the past and postulates
that it has always been complaint about fading morals, ridiculous fashion,
ear-grating music ...etc. but as I once tried to tell ("The times they are
a'changing" piece): Once there was no change whatsoever, millennium
upon millennium in social statsis. Prehistoric humans did not know the term
"morals" because there were no young rebels who felt it their duty to oppose
the elders, no old ones complaining about loosing touch. It's still that way in
societies not advanced enough to support Q-Intellect. In the Amazon tribal
societies you won't find people complaining about morals going to the dogs
...except those in touch with civilization.
The rest of your thoughts are well-meaning but not very MOQ-relevant. For
instance. DQ doesn't change society (control social value) that is Intellect's
business, and it has done that job so well that we have reached the said s/o-
intellect-blindness.
> ERIN >1) At what point in history was "morals" at a peak?
>2) as times change how do you measure the change as a good or bad (or
>can you only tell in hindsight)
1) As said at the social-intellectual transition period when humankind started
to see existence through the new subject/object filter and morals were
relegated to the subjective realm - somthing to be upheld by mankind -not
by the gods as in the mythological social past. From that point on it has
been downhill.
2) Times (or social morals) change due to Intellect's influence. Now as we
have got a movement beyond Intellect we will start to see things in a
different perspective. Moral, value is no longer subjective (as Intellect sees
everything belonging to the social realm) but the very fabric of reality. In my
"Times" piece I spoke of aeons of static social existence, then the start of
change at intellect's emergence, the rising RATE of change that now has
taken on an exponential character, how rise to vertical (infinite change over
no time) is "forbidden" and how the Quality Idea is the escape.
Bo
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