Hi Maggie
Wonder if your input hasn't some metaphysical undertones, perhaps it
contains elements of your "mediating" idea (which I shall not recount for the
risk of twisting it out of shape). You said:
> > Hi. I had an interesting value-shift insight this morning. I don't
> > think I've seen it discussed.
> > I'm wondering whether one of the highest-valued processes of our
> > universe isn't packaging. Packaging for transportation.
> > Packaging often (usually? always?) involves a situation in which a
> > higher-level process takes substance from a lower-level process and
> > redirects it.
In the discussion about Intellect's relationship with Society I see a lot of
"packaging and redirecting of social substance" by Intellect. Some of the
participants to the extent that there is no Social level left. (Wim and
Wavedave).
> > Packaging can also be seen as a method by which an entity trapped by
> > static patterns is able to escape those patterns.
Yes, the (at any time) upper level has a tendency to "trap" the rest of
existence (mostly the level below) and at the time that Society was top notch
(in the mythological past) it trapped a lot of biological patterns. Many of
which was released by Intellect's own trapping of social patterns.
> > So, somehow, it should have bearing on the MOQ concept. I don't
> > remember Pirsig touching on this, though.
No, I don't think it is treated by Pirsig.
> > I've always wondered why we (and our society) act out values that
> > are clearly opposite to our stated and proclaimed values, one of the
> > biggest anomalies being our willingness to put ourselves and
> > children on a dangerous interstate highway on a regular basis, when
> > any other activity even a thousandth as dangerous would be banned by
> > law and strictly enforced. But it's part of a dynamic, growing,
> > packaging system, and that value (or something like it) overrides
> > our other social &intellectual values.
I would say that biological value (stay alive) is overridden by social value
(everybody goes by car) and that Intellect as always takes Biology's side
against Society (objectively seen it's irrational to expose oneself to the
danger).
> > So anyway, from this point of view many aspects of life that I
> > personally tend to consider low-value may be highly valued by the
> > greater awareness of the universe. These things come to mind:
> > Commercialism & capitalism
I believe Roger has some views on commercialism/capitalism.
> > Redundant transportation and shipping of goods
Not much economical activity - beyond the hunter&garner stage - would
result from non-redundancy.
> > Air-conditioned houses, shopping malls, cars and other examples of
> > enclosed units with people inside.
Are we allowed to heat our houses here at the North Pole? :-() Matter of fact
we have had the warmest summer for decades and only now can sleep in
comfort. I plan to install a "heat pump" (called) that also acts as a cooler
when needed. But it is made in Japan and will add to the non-metaphysical
packaging and shipping pollution.
> > Just a thought, and I (as usual) probably won't be able to follow
> > through on it, but if there's anything to it, someone might take it
> > up.
Keep thinking!
Bo
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