Re: MD R.I.P.

From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Fri Sep 13 2002 - 10:05:19 BST


Welcome Clayton, you wrote:

> Hello. I've only recently begun reading these...debates. But it
> doesn't take much to see the primary motivations of a struggle when
> one views it from the outside .....................etc.

Thanks for taking on Squonkstail (maybe a hint to us all) but
please, if my effort is perceived as a "refutation of Pirsig" and/or a
wish to cut him down for my own rise in fame I have done something wrong.
OK, according to the MOQ the "celebrity" factor cannot be eradicated,
social value is the base for intellectual value, but the ideal of intellectual
objectivity isn't nil and void for that reason. It is the metaphysical aspect of
S/O-intellect that invokes the impossible either/or demand.

My admiration for Pirsig is limitless and I would have liked to start every
message with a praise, but that would have been tiresome and not in his
style. And his absence from this discussion (well he has visited through his
annotations) is for the reason that that would stop it completely. So, I take it
that it is in Pirsig's spirit to look for weaknesses and suggest remedies, and
the "hole" I found is what the SOL interpretation of the intellectual level is
meant to plug. It is no "refutation" of the basic tenets of the MOQ.

Now, there HAS been many refutations of Pirsig throughout this
group's existence, mostly concerning the very base of the MOQ, i.e: that
Pirsig is wrong about quality-value-morals as the "groundstuff" of
reality, and many "Metaphysics of This and That" have been suggested, but
somehow these assaults have not been seen as very offensive, while
my "modification" even though I most vehemently defend the basic postulate
plus the DQ/SQ divide and the static sequence is regarded heretical .....?
Perhaps for my style and persistence, but ..well ..this your letter shook me
considerably. I'll have to think. Thanks all the same.

Bo

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