From: The Pantophobic (trivik@stwing.upenn.edu)
Date: Sat Oct 05 2002 - 23:44:42 BST
> what???
> How was the liberal vs conservative repressing
> patriotism?
you'd said something like:
> the general "climate" in America sort of switched
> from liberal vs conservative
> to a "climate" of patriotism vs unpatriotic.
> It was this climate that I found repressive.
climate = general opinion , i.e. dominant form of criticism. which you did not
like.
e.g. when people chanted "Heh, Heh, LBJ, how many kids have you killed today?",
praising his education or anti-discrimination policys would have been frouned
upon by everyone.
...eer...all people are doing is criticising you for your views - nothing more -
saying that they dissagree, and that you should too. Just like the chocolate
icecream - i like this favour and i think that everyone should too.
and don't say that you can assert something withouth implying that it is the
right thing to do/belive thereby implying that the opposite is the wrong, and
should be repressed.
whenever there is discussion it happens - you call it discussion sometimes,
others (when the numbers are largly against you and ' can't handel it) you call
it repression.
> Persuasion doesn't have the bad connotation that
> repression does.
yes, but they are the same thing. when a father tells his child i don't think
you should do this, but it is up to you and that he is sure that you will do
the right thing, what would you call that?
(side track - and not relavent - actually honestally do not see how you say
that publically calling bush an idiot is repressed, or criticism of US foreign
policy - i have yet to see someone who does not call him an idiot, and who does
not think that the situatioin is a muddel. btw Chomsky gave a talk criticising
the US's intentions in Iraq and Isreal/Palestine over here - which i naturally
missed)
> (btw lots of things can be classified as
> a bad thing imposed externally--ex punch in the face--)
yes.
now it all depends on what you include in this clasification.
Steve said: "your freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose"
now the question is where exactally is my nose.
i claim that your mear existance is an infringement on my freedom.
as you would be if you did not exist.
same with my own existance or non existance.
my past is an infringement on my freedom.
whenever i say infringement on my freedom, i mean a repression of my freedom.
i have a cousin who is alergic to wallnuts.
she is not free to roam like all of her friends and bite into freshly baked
crosaues as she may break out. She has to first wait for the sales lady to go
inside and ask the cook. Damn - society should now bake more wallnut free
crausauts - but then i who love wallnuts am given less freedom.
You want to criticise Bush withouth people looking at you strange, or withouth
being taken non-seriousally, and giveing you a chance to posibly publish curses
in the new yourk times.
well eairlear on when everything was going smoothly a campeign on american
patriotism may have been looked upon as silly, and cookey - repressed - does
not have the freedom to be taken seriousally. and an anti-american klan would
not be such a bei deal - freedom of speach and all - not taken seriousally -
like the type of discrimination blacks face today - equal rights, but quietly
cross the street when you see one walking towrds you at night.
the word right or wrong cannot be assigned to loss of freedom, it is simply the
case, a statement of fact. that georgeous woman over ther - damn she stole my
heart i have no choice in the matter.
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