From: Erin Noonan (enoonan@kent.edu)
Date: Mon Oct 14 2002 - 01:29:23 BST
E> I got to ask do you really like to be a dominate partner?
MARRENNA:it's been very difficult
for me in the past to have clitoral orgasms, to have that mental
submission
E:but you want men to be dominated by their lovely lovely brain
stems...and you don't see it has anything to do with
a dominance thing? think about it
> I understand about your zen exercises but I don't think zen is
> about letting a lower dominate. It's a conscious exercise.
MARRENA: You can understand it in a theoretical way, but not the understanding
that I am talking about. Please actually try it; it's endarkening.
I think women need to do a bit more of that.
ERIN: This is also a part of this dominance streak i see in you..
here not over men but over women.
Marrenna this wasn't a new idea to me.
I think part of this dominance thing is to think of yourself
as some Orgasm expert. I am glad you found a program that works
for you but please stop assuming your program is the best or
that you have some unique hold on good orgasms.
To each her own okay. I am glad you are happy with yours and I am
plenty pleased with my own 'program'.
> You can't give this freedom back...even when you are ovulating.
> You can voluntary supress or voluntary tap into lower levels.
> Either way it's the higher level in control.
>
MARRENA: I disagree, from the point of having practical experience with it. I
think it is very instructive for women especially to do this, and is
an absolute requirement for easy childbirth. Giving birth is not a
matter of voluntarily tapping into lower levels, it is an absolute
surrender to the lower levels in the most fundamental way. For the
period of a day, all higher levels are completely gone,
involuntarily. And giving birth is one of the most transcendent
things a woman can do.
ERIN: I can't see all higher levels being completely gone for
the whole day but I have never experienced it.
I am sure giving birth is an amazing experience but
here is a bit of dominance again.
This "You have practical experience, you know.."
So Marrenna, enlightened childbirther, i guess all males and
nonmothers are doomed to an unenlightened life because they
haven't experienced childbrith.
And your reference to love of bonobos is also consistent with this female
dominance theme by the way.
I am all about female empowerment but not to me that is more
about power within yourself then having external power over other people.
The evolution train is really great despite the bad rap
you have been given of it... come and jump on:-)
erin
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