From: erin (enoonan@kent.edu)
Date: Sun Oct 27 2002 - 02:18:27 GMT
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>Thanks for this. Two things - can you point me to where Pirsig gives that
>definition? (when I rummaged through Lila I couldn't come across a
>definition).
Lila's Child Annotation #31 and #39
"MoQ states that consciousness (i.e. intellectual patterns) is the collection
of manipulation of symbols, created in the brain, that stands for
experience...."
"For precision in MoQ its better to limit intelligence to symbol
manipulation..."
2-1.net/home.html
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>From: "erin" <enoonan@kent.edu>
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:26 PM
>Subject: RE: MD Sophocles not Socrates
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>> SAM:>I believe that the values of the fourth level - those within which
>> different >actions can static latch, the arena within which DQ can
>operate -
>> can best >be understood as those values which support full human
>flourishing -
>> >_eudaimonia_. Intellectual flourishing is one aspect of that full human
>> >flourishing, but there are areas of human flourishing - most prominently,
>> >art, music, poetry, friendship - which are not reducible to either social
>> >level values or intellectual values. They represent high quality
>> >achievements (and practices) which are not resolvable to either social
>> >quality or logical/scientific quality. They represent the best of
>humanity.
>> >And _that_ is what I think is missing when we talk of 'intellect' being
>the
>> >fourth level.
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>> ERIN: I agree that logic is not sufficient definition
>> for the intellectual level.
>> The only place that I know of Pirsig defining the
>> intellectual level is when he says it is about symbol
>> manipulation. I am not sure if all your human achievements
>> can fall under that or not.
>> But the one 'pro' for keeping it as symbol manipulation is
>> that it does not limit other species.
>> Do you have any concern of making this a human centered
>> model?
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