From: Steve Peterson (speterson@fast.net)
Date: Tue Oct 29 2002 - 14:25:50 GMT
DMB,
> Sam agreed with Steve:
> Although doubtless some would say I too have a poor grasp of the MoQ given
> this campaign, I think you've understood it well. I particularly agree with
> you when you say: "The four levels of Value (not values) are not types of
> things but ways of valuing." I think that's very important (and I tried to
> shape my level-four proposal according to that understanding in my most
> recent substantial post).
>
> DMB says: I think its safe to include consent of the governed to this
> list...
> "The MOQ says that what is meant by "human rights" is usually the moral code
> of intellect vs. society, the moral right of intellect to be free of social
> control. Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, of travel, trial by jury,
> habeas corpus, government by consent - these "human rights" are all
> intellect vs. society issues. According to the MOQ these "human rights" have
> not just a sentimental basis, but a rational, metaphysical basis. They are
> essential to the evolution of a higher level of life from a lower level of
> life. They are for real." page 307
>
> It is true that each level represents a level of awareness, but Pirsig is
> also talking about ontological reality. The MOQ paints them as one and the
> same so that even something as mundane as a chair is composed of little
> moral orders. He even claims that his MOQ is exhaustive, that everything in
> the world can fit into it. Its about the real world...
>
Steve says:
Though every thing is composed of moral orders, this isn't necessarily the
same as saying that every thing is either an inorganic, a biological, a
social, or an intellectual thing. Or is it?
Steve
MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Fri Nov 01 2002 - 10:38:07 GMT