Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:51:49 -0400 (EDT)
Donald T Palmgren wrote:
> Hey, all.
> It looks like I still need to clear up some gunk. Bodvar wrote:
> _________________________
> Then Intellect panics: "Me,"thinking itself"
> (Jonathan), not the container of everything (Donny) .. what is this
> nonsense?!"
> _________________________
> Bo, since i've never said thet the intellect is the container of
> everything I'm asuming that you are now in the habit of attaching my name
> to things either to get my attention or just because it's a good name and
> you like typing it. :)
Donny
Yes, your name comes easy to me, I have cousin "over there" with
the same name and nickname.
My consternation started by your next last message where you posed
your standard question where things are before [they come to
someone's mind]... in some Platonic heavens... or? I do know that
Phaedrus of ZMM said something similar about gravity before Newton,
but P. of ZMM had not conceived the MOQ and it has an unmistakably
SOM-idealist ring to it ... nothing exists outside mind..etc. (MOQ's
position is that everything is Dynamic Quality before it becomes a
static pattern, but what's more important: ideas don't come to mind
from DQ, they come to Q-Intellect from Society).
Yes, yes, we DO agree that SOM means (in your words):..... the
ontological separation of the knower and what knows, for me....the
Q-intellect. And that's good, we possibly need to explore how the
subject and the object "see" the world, but right now I am impatient
and want to go on and see where the MOQ trail will lead.
Once we have put subjects and objects in their proper place
- as a static plane (Intellect) of the MOQ sequence - they are taken
care of. They are no longer the two sides of the reality "coin";
THEY ARE THE TWO SIDES OF ONE COIN IN THE QUALITY COLLECTION !
The one of the highest value but still a mere coin. You go to
great lengths to explain what it is like to be a person (subject) and
considering things from from the object's pov etc, and your
explanations are superb. I agree about the Greek polis, about
psychology and with most of what you write, but that can wait.
We have too much of wilderness to survey (as Pirsig says in his
anniversary greeting to the LS) to become bogged down, so come on
Donny shoulder your formidable intellect and stop surveying every
nook and creek. We are about to find the sources of the Nile.
Bodvar
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