Hi Horse and everyone
The fuss, at least my fuss, is about talking about the MoQ as secondary.
When you talk about the MoQ as a map, you also bump the MoQ down from the
place as a first philosophy to a secondary philosophy. Your new first
philosophy is that of maps vs. 'reality'. The metaphysics part of the MoQ
becomes completely useless since it's only a map anyway. And I more than
ever understand Struan's arguments that the MoQ (viewed as a map) looks
like emotivism. When you say that the MoQ is a map, you also say that
everything that will be morally judged will first be interpreted using
this map. THEN, you use the map of the four levels to make moral
judgements, emotivism-in-a-box.
Am I getting through here, or am I being cryptic as usual?
You said:
> I don't agree that reality is something that we are not able to experience - it is all
> that we are able to experience.
Right. But reality is also what ALL SPoVs are able to experience, not just IntPoVs.
I know at least Jonathan disagrees with this, but everything else that makes the MoQ
valuable depends on it.
> If someone can come up with a way of letting me experience exactly what
> another experiences then I will be quite happy to drop language altogether as it
> will then be redundant. Until then I'll keep looking at my map and comparing it
> with everyone elses.
The intellectual level is the only level that are able to reference itself, which
would make it possible for everyone to have the same intellectual experience. But
since it is dependent on the language of the social level, we can't escape
language.
All other levels are unable to reference itself or make exact copies, (the
physical equivalent would be Heisenberg's uncertainty principle), so we can't
have identical experiences of such patterns.
As usual, all this makes no sense whatsoever with a MoQ viewed as a one-
dimensional map.
Magnus
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