Diana, Bo and Squad
Diana McPartlin wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> Bodvar Skutvik wrote:
> >
> > DIANA MCPARTLIN wrote:
> > > Suppose you are trying to convince someone of the MoQ. It's quite
> > > easy to show that there is something like value or art that can't be
> > > explained rationally. However people usually just dismiss that as
> > > subjectivity. To demonstrate that value is not subjective you have
> > > to prove that it exists outside of the subject. And in the som the
> > > only place that isn't subject-territory is the world of objects,
> > > specifically matter.
> >
> > > If you can prove (in an som context) that DQ exists in both the
> > > subject and the object then the subject-object metaphysics
> > > collapses, because in the subject-object metaphysics you cannot have
> > > a phenomenon that exists in both categories - and the only solution
> > > to it is to conclude that the categories are wrong.
I think it's impossible to actually disprove a metaphysics, let alone
prove one. For example, we can from a MoQ perspective claim that DQ
exists in both subjects and objects, but from a SOM perspective the
DQ is called free will in subjects and non determinism in objects. DQ
is not present in the SOM dictionary.
What is needed, and I guess this is what you mean, is to show that
for example free will and non determinism is the same thing.
Suggestions anyone?
> Meanwhile, what I'm trying to do with these posts is show the people who
> think science is everything that they need to pay attention to
> aesthetics and show the people who think aesthetics is everything that
> they need to pay attention to science. It's a subject-object split -
> Einstein vs Magritte - you need to see both sides in order to get over
> it. I really don't see why it's such a controversial point. I haven't
> solved the problem, I'm merely pointing out what has to be done.
I agree. My essay begins with "The Metaphysics of Quality originated from
a wish to join the classical and the romantic world views". And I think
the Lila Squad is a great place to start.
Maybe this is about to happen anyway. It's mostly a hunch but I've noticed
that extreme classicists, people pursuing science ad absurdum, often reach
the end of the line. They realize that objective science can't answer
everything. Some turn to God, others find other solutions but the MoQ
should be one alternative.
This end of the line often lies at the border of quantum physics, which
is probably why that is used as an argument for the MoQ. As you said, the
MoQ might not provide a clearer explanation of quantum phenomena, but it
does provide an escape from the platypus objective science vs. quantum
non determinism.
Magnus
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