Lithien wrote on Fri, 16 Oct 1998 :
> i've been following the conversation regarding What is Dynamic Quality,
> and it seems to me that the very question invites SOM thinking since
> an answer to it becomes the object of your subject.
> has anyone been able to figure out how we can avoid SOM thinking?
> horse? platt? diana? glove? ant? maggie? bodvar? others?
> i keep remembering Carl Sagan's analogy to a two-dimensional universe
> where we would be flat as a parcheesi chip on a gameboard with only
> two dimensions, length and width, in our reality. if someone isn't our
> discussion on what DQ is, all about semantics then? a question of
> language rather than a quantifying answer? isn't language all we
> have which leads us in the direction of SOM thinking?
> i ask again, has anyone been able to figure out a way to avoid SOM thinking?
Hi Lithien and Squad.
SO -M thinking should be avoided, but not S-O thinking (or logic) .
You will possibly have heard of my idea that subject-object thinking
is MOQ's intellectual level. Accordingly S-O is no evil, but the
highest static value level there is. ........if the M part of it can
be dropped.
But what about the M, can it be removed? In my opinion yes, because
it has been a hoax all the time. The elders will possibly wince if I
start on the whole string of evidence, but shortly - and by God this
is what brought us to the MOQ in the first place - the world view
based on the SOM is rotten through and through.
Up through the ages the thinkers' efforts to overcome the SOM
paradoxes has ended in frustration, because not until Pirsig has a
complete replacement been offered, and only now is it possible to
see how Q-Intellect as the top level naturally tried to make itself
ALL OF THE WORLD (So did the Social level in its time and so did the
Biological and the Inorganic) ALL levels were once the summit from
where reality was viewed!!
While the SOM falsely reigned there was nothing outside the
subject-object reality, but now there is Dynamic Quality and once
that context is seen the M drops away: Intellect - however powerful,
important and GOOD - is subordinate to the overall QUALITY.
Conclusion: Subject-object thinking is valuable, it is what makes
humans human and what has brought civilization to the point is
has achieved, but after Pirsig's breakthrough its power is broken
(like the Brujo priests')
PS.
Intellect and language are interwoven in the same way as Life and
Carbon, it was the social "carbon" that DQ exploited to bring the
quality evolution to a higher plane, in the same way as the inorganic
carbon became Life's vehicle.
Bodvar
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