hi, donny:
you wrote:
Time! To me it's at the heart of metaphysics. "How do things
come to exist?" asks "How do they get into time -- get 'timed', aquare a
rhythm to them?" Which is of corse the same as asking, "What is time?"
for me, too, time is at the center of the mystery of existence.
did you see First Contact? when Jody Foster disappeared for what seemed
like 3 minutes in earthtime, she actually experienced 18 hours in
spacetravel continuum. einstein was obssessed by the nature of light and
that is what drove him to formulate his theories. too bad he wasnt obsessed
by time. who knows what he might have come up with!
I also appreciate Joseph Campbell as you do.
Follow your bliss!
Lithien
http://members.tripod.com/~lithien/Lila2.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald T Palmgren <lonewolf@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
To: moq_discuss@moq.org <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 1:52 PM
Subject: MD Re: Dynamic quality (2)
> Hey, Lithin.
>
>On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Lithien wrote:
>
>>
>>you [me, Donny] also added:
>>
>>So
>>they do not mind whether it crackes or not. Our common sense is of no use
>>for Koreans at all. They live in a world of "thusness", not of "must or
>>must not
>
>LITHIN:
>>this world of "Thou" is also alluded to by Joseph Campbell. it is a
>>different psychology when one sees the world as a "Thou" instead of an
"it".
>
> Actually, Campbell got that from Martin Bauber's philosophy as
>expressed in his book *I-Thou*.
>
>>
>>you continued:
>>
>>Buddhist *do* frequently use the word *muge* -- literally "liberation,"
but
>>what they are liberated from is duality. static.
>>
>>is there a distinction between liberation and freedom?
>>
>
> Yanagi makes that distinction. He uses "freedom" to refer to the
>opposite of "confined," "restricted," etc. This is the sense we use for
>DQ when we think in terms of dynamic-as-opposed-to-static.
> Yanagi uses "liberation" as a non-dual term. "Liberation"
>(*muge*) isn't the opposite of anything. It's the liberation from
>dualities of life-death, S-O, free-confined, dynamic-static... and so on.
> I think it can be of use to us to re-examing what is ment by "DQ"
>and it's place in the MoQ, w/ these concepts in mind.
>
>>
>>it is so hard to stop thinking in a opposites. i try and try and its
>>impossible, it seems. when i think DQ is the true essence of beauty
because
>>its always new. im trapped into dualistic thinking because consequently
>>there has to be an old. maybe our brains are programmed to think this
way?
>>how can it be stopped even if only for a little while?
>
> Well, if you've read your Joe Campbell then you know it doesn't
>necessarily have to be stoped. Generaly it is enough to be aware of the
>mystery of the "Void" -- the timeless realm -- and to dwell on this
>mystery from time to time. Most religious ceramonies and mythologies are
>dedicated to reminding us of the Oneness from which we come and into which
>are enfolded back into. Campbell was fond of quoting Sri Ramakrisna's
>statement that you should not seek enlightenment unless you seek it as a
>man whose hair is on fire seeks water. I, for one, am 23 years old and do
>not, at this stage in my life, feel that kind of a need for full-fledged
>Nirvana.
> But we all experience that "realm" momentairily once or twice in
>our waking lives (like Bil Bryson's hike in the woods... or, I have a
>friend who went joging once and "lost" 4 hours -- and he wasn't thinking
>of anything in particuler; just running.). We all have "Zen moments"
>sooner or later. And Hindu philosophy teaches that we all enter the
>"timeless realm" every night in dreamless sleep.
>
>>could the answer lie in our experience of time? since time occurs
linearly
>>for us, it is only natural to think of before and after. if we existed in
a
>>timeless reality then all dualistic thinking would stop!
>
> Time! To me it's at the heart of metaphysics. "How do things
>come to exist?" asks "How do they get into time -- get 'timed', aquare a
>rhythm to them?" Which is of corse the same as asking, "What is time?"
>Maybe I'll get a chance to share some thoughts along these lines next
>month.
>
> TTFN (ta-ta for now)
> Donny
>____________
> P.S. If anybody's intrested in Joseph Campbell, the Joe Campbell
>Foundation has a great webpage at <www.jcf.org>. I'm a memeber of the
>JCF, and personally, I think Campbell was the greatest scholar/philosopher
>of the last century. Well worth checking out!
>
>
>
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