Hi Magnus, Squad
First let me first say how sad I was to read your post.
>[Jonathan]
>> Pirsig was surely wrong in placing Intellect at a higher moral level
>> than Society.
>
Magnus
>Nobody placed intellect anywhere, Pirsig found it where it always has
>been. I can hardly believe you actually said that...
Sure! Intellect was just sitting "out there" waiting for Pirsig to
notice it.
Maybe you misunderstood, but I was challenging Pirsig's MORAL scale
(Intellect over Society), just as I did in the 4-levels discussions.
>> ***Intellectual freedom from social responsibility is immoral. ***
>...nor that.
So Magnus, you have no problems about carrying out grotesque medical
experiments on (willing) victims or condemned prisoners?
>> Pirsig was also wrong to place Social values above Biological values.
>> Societies which valued flag, country and national wealth over human
life
>> sacrificed millions of young men in WW1 and sent children down the
>> mines.
>
>Who said young men are only biological?
>
Who says Lila has more than biological value? To me the sanctity of
human life applies to every living person. It applies to the aged, the
young, the mute, the blind, the crippled, the paralyzed, the "simple"
...
Their lives are valued just because they are ALIVE. That's a biological
classification.
Magnus, I have a very deep aversion to any person or philosophy that
rejects this fundamental ethical value.
Your post makes me sad and disappointed .
>It seems we need to discuss what Pirsig means with:
>Morality = Reality = Quality
>
>But perhaps it's time for time first.
No, Magnus. Your post convinces me that it is IMPERATIVE that we discuss
morality first.
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