Hello all and Bodvar
>...How not to think in SOM terms!? I hope that I
>have interpreted you correctly as saying that the Subject-Object
>division entered existence at some point ...and thus isn't part
>of the big picture; AS IT IS!
Yes, absolutely.
>You allude to the
>fall myth; eating of the tree of knowledge; substantiation. [An
>aside here. My dictionary defines that word as giving facts to
>support a claim, but to me it sounds as "incarnation". Is that
>correct?]
Yes, definitely. Websters 9th new Collegiate also offers "To give substance
or form to: EMBODY" I like the ring of incarnation though.
>Exactly, but 'substance' and 'spirit' are are concepts=
>language=intellect so the impact of substantiation/fall from grace
>did> not occur at the time it happened - so to say - but much later :
>along with "knowing" or the Intellect of MOQ. Along with
>humans in other words.
I agree, This fact is literally heart breaking.
>> or of emotions, which are inextricable from sensation in the fact that
the
>> friction is caused by a self or spirit defined by objects.
>Yes, with qualifications. For me emotion is SOCIETY; the
>ability to abstrahize or share sensations. An animal that witness
>another being eaten does not "wince" and feels the fangs in its own
>flesh much less sorry for the victim or hatred for the predator.
>But that emotions are "out of sensations" to that I agree fully.
I agree with your emotion/society equation as far as the collective nature
and in a more practical application of the MoQ, this is a big one for me,
but I believe there is a self generative force of emotion/sensation
involved. This is foggy for me, but I think imagination and curiosity are
at the heart of my qualm. I'll try to put more into that one later. It has
to do with weight and when or what presupposes the "fall". Does the thought
of a feather weigh more than the thought of a stone, as far as...? That
sounds silly, I'll need to get into that when I have time.
>Great thinking and formulations Jay
>(Silly question but is Jay male or female? Not that it matters, but I
>miss the little intro/bio piece we used to have)
>Bodvar
Jay is male. What sort of questions were in this Bio/Intro?
P.S., this discussion group has been a fascinating and challenging find for
me, I appreciate everyone here greatly.
Jay
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