REPLY TO FINTAN'S ASSERATION-SOCIAL IS SUPERIOR TO INTELLECT
Greetings Squad (Dia duit Fintan),
The Social level may well be the soil for the intellect but
doesn't mean that the InPoVs sole purpose is to serve it.
To take specific examples.
You could have real brainy people serving a society like
Microsoft.Should they limit their function to helping
Microsoft maintain its current position?
Or a Fascist society?
Each society's function is to preserve itself,whether it be
Catholic Church , a Company , or a group of cells.
Sure Intellect is needed in the modern world to support
Society but to limit its function to that would be
dangerous.It would inevitibly lead to a mechanistic
world. This would be scary if done in a horrible Society
eg USSR or Nazi Germany. I think it would horrible even
in Utopia.Life would be so tedious.The consequence of having
Intellect serve (only) Society is to attain Utopia.
Individualism doesn't have to mean grubby selfishness.That's
a very negative attitude.
Individualism gives variety to human life.This maximizes the
potential for Quality. And events of low Quality.That is price.
The alternative is mind numbing tedium.
And all the Fintan Marys in the world could no longer be
tolerated. After all they just upset society.They're individual.
Fintan; towards the end of Lila Phaedrus speaks of a Zen
verse where you should kill all static intellectual patterns
while maintaing organic and social ones.
Is that close to what you're saying?
Why bring in Faith? It seems to me a thing for lazy people.
Finally, could please you elaborate on the Greeks and the Fall.
Sounds interesting.What did they fall from?
le gra
james
PS. Didn't the USA drop the atom bomb as a warning to
USSR "we are the top dog, don't even think about world
revolution".
The atomic bomb wasn't necessary to end the speedily.
Japan was going under anyway.
At 13:30 14/11/98 PST, you wrote:
>GLOVE SHOWED US THE SOCIAL BASIS OF REASON.
>FINTAN SOM: is the usurpation of society by intellect
>ASSERTS: MOQ: is reason in RighT relation to society.
>
>Glove:
>> i feel the intellect may
>> actually lead away from logic. logic may be rather a social level
phenomena.
>> the social level is involved in the building up of agreements with reality,
>> of which logic is a part of, while the intellect is in the process of
>> destroying those agreements in favor of freedom.
>
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>Hi Glove, Squad,
>
>Glove, you are right on the money on this one.
>In this culture of individualism it was easy for Pirsig and us all to
overlook
>the fact that intellect and reason are NOT a private construction derived
>from objective reality- that is pure SOM thinking
>
>Take a look at a bunch of schoolchildren, take a look at a bevy of babies!
>
>Intellect is fundementally a social construction.
>Reason does not exist in isolation. That idea would be meaningless.
>All existence would be meaningless.
>
>In earlier posts I asserted that Pirsig got the structure of the four
levels wrong:
>
>Rather than:
>
>INTELLECT It should have been:SOCIETY
>SOCIETY INTELLECT
>BIOLOGY BIOLOGY
>INORGANIC INORGANIC
>
>Easy to miss because of the cultural blindspot of individualism.
>Whats more, that error is the VERY SOURCE OF SOM thinking
>or the Fall- to give it another name to what those Greeks did.
>
>AND SO:
>
>SOM: is the usurpation of society by intellect.
>MOQ: is reason in RighT relation to society.
>
>(capitalisation of RighT to show the RT phrenome)
>
>
>love all
>
>
>
>Fintan M. Dunne
>findunne@iol.ie
>
>
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