Jonathan, Walter Keith et. al.
JONATHAN:
"Welcome back Horse. I can imagine what this discussion must look like
after your extended break. We are talking about morality, always a topic
to arouse the passions."
Yeah, I'll say. Thanks for the general summary. I'll pick it up somewhere along the
way - probably!
JONATHAN:
"Horse, you hastily use the words "little more" to dismiss an idea
(remember "Quality is 'just' anything you like" in ZAMM?). Pattern
recognition is the whole of reality. In the May SOM discussion Fintan
defined the SO split as Pattern vs. Recognition. QUALITY FIRST means
that this split is secondary."
The pattern vs. recognition isn't something I completely agree with, nor PR being
the whole of reality. PR is part of reality but there is the matter of the degree of
pattern recognition capability and the issue of pattern generation - something
needs to be generated in order for recognition to take place. The level of
abstraction involved and whether the generative process is "conscious" or not also
needs to be considered. PR at the Biological level is not comparable to PR at the
Intellectual level, which was why I added the "and/or instinctual biological
behaviour" proviso.
WALTER:
"Horse, I missed your input and welcome you back. About last month discussion,
I hope your able and willing to respond to my last post on this topic, the one just
after your and Rogers' last post."
I haven't forgotten that thread - I just haven't had time to reply yet. I will make time
as soon as I get a handle on the last two weeks posts and get some of this Marl
Values stuff out. Apologies.
KEITH:
Great post. I agree with much of it and think that you seem to be approaching
from the fuzzy direction that I brought up some time ago. Fuzziness and the MoQ
(and Complexity/Emergence) seem to be closely linked. Given that our
paleantological knowledge is incomplete your timeline approach seems like a
good approximation of the evolutionary approach to static pattern emergence. I'm
not quite sure how DQ fits in but I'll read your post again a few times.
Horse
"Making history, it turned out, was quite easy.
It was what got written down.
It was as simple as that!"
Sir Sam Vimes.
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