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From: Platt Holden <pholden5@earthlink.net>
To: moq_discuss@moq.org <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: MD Evil in the MoQ.
Hi Ken, Mary and LS:
On 31 Jan. KEN wrote:
> According to Pirsig Dynamic Quality is the driving force for change in
> the universe. According to Mary evil is the driving force for change in
the
> universe. Therefore Dynamic Quality is evil. Since Static Quality opposes
> Dynamic Quality then Static Quality is good. Dynamic Quality is the force
> that has brought us to this stage of development and supplied all of the
> value then Dynamic is good. Since Dynamic Qulaity and evil are equivalent
> then evil is good. Since morality and evil are opposites then morality is
> bad, but, value and morality are equivalent so value is bad. Since a thing
> that has no value does not exist then nothing exists. Since we do not
> exist then this argument is meaningless. Ken
Congratulations Ken. You're the first on the Squad to use quantum logic.
I'm told in the book I'm reading, "The Age of Spiritual Machines" by Ray
Kukrzwell, that quantum logic, which thrives on paradox and absurdity, is
now being used by computer scientists to build quantum computers that
will eventually become conscious, replacing all of us.
So you're way ahead of your time.
Now, if we can just get Mary out of the basket business. :-)
Platt
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Dear Ken,
I think that in this argument you are chasing your own tail. In other words
the argument goes round and round with no clear answers. For some answers
maybe "Zen" can help. In Zen dynamic quality or Zen itself is left
undefined, and it's better this way for a couple of reasons. One you don't
try to find infinite answers from a finite mind, and two you don't drive
yourself crazy trying. In Zen, or DQ there is no good or bad dynamic
quality. It's what Zen masters mean by saying KATZ to a question. Don' t
think about good or bad, evil or nonevil. These concepts only exist in our
consciousness or "thinking consciousness", and are not dynamic quality, but
rather static ideas of intellecutalism. When I am at dynamic quality all is
one, and there is no distinctions. This is very similar to what Pirsig
talks about in the end of his first book ZMM. He says something to the
effect that he stared at a wall for three days, until all modes of ordinary
static consciousness dropped away. Dynamic quality is not evil, but if
anything just exist. It's really not good either, but good is a better way
of describing it since it will be the motivating force of change in the
world that produces "quality". In other words betterness of life, not
something worse like evil would produce. If the DQ doesn't better our life
than the attempt for change won't catch on, and it will sink back to a form
of degeneration. Well that is my spin on the previous article, and thanks
for your time.
Jason Nelson
nelsonjason@hotmail.com
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