Hi Roger and Group:
Roger wrote:
> ROGER IS STUMPED BY THE ABSOLUTE SOUND
> (play on words for any fellow audiophiles out there in Lila land)
>
> Thank you for starting us down this lane Platt. But now you through me for a
> loop.
>
> Platt wrote:
> <<<<
> Thus, the MoQ answers that hoary philosophical question of whether a
> tree falling in the forest makes a sound with no one around to hear it with
> a resounding, "Absolutely." And there goes Realism and the precious
> "independent reality" of scientific orthodoxy into the ash heap of mistaken
> worldviews along with "the world is flat.">>>>>
>
> As I recall, Magnus' tree koan was answered as so by Glove in late January or
> early February:
>
> <<<< The whole idea behind the koan is to realize sound is
> experiential. This is an enormously enlightening notion to come to realization
> of. Either we hear the sound, or a sound is communicated to us in an
> unambiguous way, or there is no experiential event known as sound. There is no
> Quality Event without experience. If there is no experiencer, no observer,
> there is no experience.>>>>
>
> And Bo added:
>
> <<<< Starting with your closing words about "the nature of reality", I don't
> think there is any such natural (objective) reality outside of experience.>>>>
>
> It is getting late. Am I just misunderstanding something????
"Experience" is not solely the province of human beings. Any and all
static patters of value experience Quality Events. Cells of the falling tree
"hear” the change in their environment and "suffer" the destruction of
their world. (Recall the cells in Lila who "have a mind of their own.") If it's
a dead tree that falls, inorganic patters of value are affected. For
example, shifts in the arrangements of our old friend the carbon atom
occur as well as disturbances of air molecules. These patterns of value
"experience" or "hear" the event in their own inscrutable way. For all we
know, atoms make crackling sounds as they get jostled about, or maybe,
if the patterns fall into a heavenly alignment, breathtaking symphonies
occur.
Now I can't prove this any more than I can prove that I hear what you
hear, or that the world behind me exists when I'm not looking at it. But if
you buy into the MoQ where experience equals Dynamic Quality and
Dynamic Quality creates the world, I don't see how you can avoid
experience occurring at any and all levels.
Experience, consciousness, observation, awareness, Quality—-whatever
you want to call it-—is like space, encompassing, permeating, shaping all
things. As Horse put it, "Static patterns of value are experienced by other
static patterns of value in one, huge seething network of Value/Quality."
And David Buchanan's wonderful leaf analogy summed it up beautifully:
"The structure of all patterns of value is somehow the shape of awareness
itself."
So IMHO it's an experiential universe where there are plenty of
distinctions (including you and me and the tree in the forest) but no
separations. Things are going bing, bang, boom all over the place. And
we’re not the only ones hearing things.
Platt
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