In (grateful) response to the excellent responses to my queries:
Rog:
"The more Dynamic the experience, the more Conscious the experience"
Right.
Much better without a final 'r'.
And this can explain the notion of "unconscious" matter and lower
body functions - id, "subconscious" higher body and social patterns
(mythos) - superego, and "conscious" higher social and mental
patterns (logos) - ego.
The psychological aspects of the MOQ are, for myself anyway,
mountains which beg further climbing.
Platt:
A living being is dual: "a self that is unique and dies, and a self
that everyone shares and lives forever."
Right. "I" am a:
1) Being
Unique = individual history of static Values. Which is why we
disagree on quality.
2) Becoming
Unity = universal present Dynamic Quality. Which is why we agree
on quality.
"You" are a Dynamic spatiotemporal cohesion of static patterns of
value.
Horse:
static patterns: "are only an illusion if you try to consider them
as independent and objective 'things'. When seen as part of an
interconnected whole they are far from an illusion - they are part
of overall reality."
Right.
Is there agreement on this:
1) That Dynamic Quality is the most static aspect of reality, in the
sense that it is omni-present, -potent, -scient. It is the only
'real' constant, 'pre-intellectual'.
2) That static Quality is the most Dynamic aspect of reality, in the
sense that 'things' & 'thoughts' are always on the go, changing,
interacting, evolving. Only they can 'really' improve, change, evolve.
3) Neither exists without the other. Because 'Quality' is the
fundamental reality, not DQ or sQ. In ZMM, Phaedrus was distressed
when it seemed that 'classic' and 'romantic' split Quality itself
into two kinds, when really, Quality is BEYOND either of those. This
led him beyond a Duality or a Trinity to a Monism - "All of it. Every
last bit of it."-pg226 However, it eventually "all gave way from
under him", and he took a one-way flight out of the mythos.
Now, allow me to play with pg.227 (Bantam):
"Quality (Dynamic Quality) and its manifestations (static value
patterns) are in their nature the same. It (DQ) is given different
names (Inorganic, Biological, Social, Intellectual) when it becomes
statically manifest.
Dynamic Quality and static Quality together may be called the
'mystic'....
Like the fountainhead of all things...
Yet crystal clear like water it seems to remain."
MUST study for exams.
MUST put the MOQ aside for a couple weeks...
MUST not kid myself.
rich
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