Hi Glove et al,
Thanks for the very illuminating responses to my queries. I have little
worth adding to your very good explanations but for these thoughts:
>Could we then say that mind-matter is equal to value?
Yes, exactly. That is why the quote from ZMM which states that value is
(metaphysically) distinct from subjects or objects bothered me. I'm having
enough trouble grappling with the idea of Dynamic Quality as actually being
metaphysically distinct from static patterns of value.
>What we do not stop to consider is that these horrors only occur >when we
>become aware of them occurring. This is what Pirsig's Indian >teacher
>seemed to be attempting to get across to him.
Um, Yes - in the sense that he didn't know about the bomb until he saw
(experienced) the media, and therefore without experience of something, it
cannot be valued (judged), and hence doesn't exist.
But, is there not an experience any and every time two values meet and
relate, or are birthed in transaction through the Dynamic Quality Event, or
the "subject becomes aware of the object" - P's words?
So each event in this light is most certainly experienced, which is the
definition of existence, which is Quality. However, the number of
experiences connected to each event varies, as does the level of
consciousness, attention and will involved in each case.
What do you think?
Rich
PS - "my winged arms endure yet..."
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