Hi All
On 31 Jul 99, at 13:56, rich pretti wrote:
> So we retain the subject/object distinctions, but under the greater
> umbrella of Quality.
Only for the sake of 'backward compatibility'. Subject and object are
really completely irrelevant in MOQ as are the ideas of 'I', 'You', 'We'
etc. and a great number of other ideas. They are a convenience and
are mainly retained due to their linguistic attachment to the past:
"This fictitious 'man' has many synonyms: 'mankind', 'people', 'the
public', and even such pronouns as 'I', 'he' and 'they'. Our language is
so organized around them and they are so convenient to use, it is
impossible to get rid of them. There is really no need to. Like
'substance', they can be used as long as it is remembered that
they're terms for collections of patterns and not some independent
reality of their own." (Pirsig, Chapter 12, Lila)
> Good. Now look at Lila. Quality is now
> interchangeable with morality, and with value.
Sounds reasonable. Quality=Value=Reality
> And value/morality is interchangeable with mind/matter
> (subject/object). So Quality is, literally, mind and matter.
Whoa there! Says who? From the point of view of the MOQ this is
completely wrong. Mind and matter are equivalent to subject and
object and it's Quality (or to be more specific, the Quality Event)
which _would_ create either mind or matter. But neither mind/subject
and/or matter/object are MOQ concepts as they are superceded by
static patterns of Value. You also seemed to have forgotten about
Dynamic Quality!
> It sounds strange at first to say that chemical events are ethical...
Odd, but nonetheless quite reasonable.
> ... but to me, only when in ZMM P clearly stated that these worldly
> bodies and thoughts have nothing to do with Quality...
Many of Pirsigs ideas in ZMM are replaced by those in Lila. To a
great extent ZMM is little more than a foreword to LIla - a pretty
damn good forword though.
Horse
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