Ken et al:
I appreciate (I think) what you are saying, but it most certainly is not
(quite) in line with Pirsig...
>I regard Quality as simply the driving force that resulted from the
>formation of the universe. The inexorable trend toward the complete
>dissapation that the universe is undergoing.
Does this mean that Quality is "something" -other- than the universe
(spov's)? Do you mean DQ? Dissipation? Physicists/scientists DO NOT have a
clear idea about the future universe - open, closed or flat. Read any first
year astronomy textbook.
>According to the latest info that I pick up the speed of the >reactions in
>the early universe were much faster and the process is >slowing down as the
>universe becomes less energetic. Even if the >neutrinos now undergoing
>investigation prove to have
>mass there will still not be enough mass in the universe to cause its
>contraction.
They haven't -found- what appears to be some 90% of the "missing" energy -
but let's wait for the discovery of black holes, dark matter, etc... Look
for any articles on "Funny Energy". A friend of mine gave a seminar on this
topic. It seems that the Universe is not only -speeding up- but the
expansion of value is occuring at an ACCELERATING rate. I have yet to delve
into this line of inquiry... let me know, someone, if you do?
>In any case, quality is the driving force for the march toward complete
>randomness. Quality is not reality. Reality is the result of Quality.
Randomness? Dynamicity in the MOQ, perhaps.
>When life came into being due to the increasing complexity and greater
>range of possibilities presented then a new force came into being in the
>universe.
A more Dynamic pattern of experiential value than rocks, yes.
>We have no assurance that we are the final
>word in evolution.
Of course not. Metaphysics seems to me to be the bridge between the
intellect and the next level (i.e. - MOQ connects both science and
mysticism).
>Whatever happens to us will
>have to happen while we are in the present churning phase of the universe
>because there will ultimately be not enough energy in clumps to support
>life, at least as we know it.
This is a ridiculously premature judgement. I'm only a backseat physicist,
but the drivers of our scientific train are groping in the dark.
-"FOR EVERY FACT THERE IS AN INFINITY OF HYPOTHESES".
>PS-Hope this doesn't P-- Off the mystics too much.
None of us are really mystics, I think. Except perhaps some of the lurkers,
who know how keep their traps from flapping. However, you might just piss
off Pirsig. What I would ask from you is to be a bit clearer about when you
are expressing your own ideas as blended with the MOQ, and when you are
trying to get at the essence of the MOQ itself. I've always enjoyed your
posts - this one left me wondering...
>>PPS-What happens to us if we are still around when the level of energy
>falls appreciably in the universe?
Our sun has another good few billion years of life-giving inorganic value to
emit towards our lovely little ball, here. Don't worry, my friend.
On the other hand, if it happens in the next 50 years or so, I suggest
grabbing a nice view (inoQ), a bottle of wine & a bag of recreational
pharmaceuticals (bioQ), a lovely woman (or man) and some friends (socQ), a
couple of good books (intQ) - and dancing naked around the fire until you
get tired, or the sun turns black.
Do not pass Go, Do not collect two hundred dollars.
Rich
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