JOHN:
Both the wording above, with its references to 'pre-intellectual' and
'memory', and the examples used to flesh out this distinction (the tune on
the radio, the heart attack victim) are closely tied to higher organisms. To
explicate this, I would suggest something like "Organisms encounter dynamic
quality in direct experience, both positive and negative, and have the
ability to retain traces of this quality experience through memory, which is
static."
Avid:
1. There is no DQ in positive and negative form, according to RMP.
2. The encounter is of Quality. QE [Quality experience] is a good expression
I heard from Roger [I think].
3. Of course the examples RMP takes are from Human experience. It doesn't
say it has to be of "higher organisms" [whatever that may be], but it is the
famous Darwinian "starting from the middle", explaining from the present
backward [inorganic levels or less], and forward [cultural levels, complex
creatures etc.].
Substitute 'memory' with 'code', and you can easily get DNA [biological
code], and molecular code as well. No need for a presence of an organism as
a biological entity outside the SPQ layers system.
Therefore:
"Agents encounter dynamic
quality in direct experience, as a constant feedback to their activity
according to the SPQ code, both positive and negative, and have the
ability to suggest improvement of quality experience through refutation, and
guessing, applied to the SPQ code."
ROGER:
The direct experience is DQ. And the experience creates the organism and the
environment, not the other way around.
Avid:
DQ doesn't create as well. It is the most direct way to come across quality,
mainly by surprise. Organisms are created by mutations, lucky guesses of the
biological orders, and are tested [their quality] by the situation, in
deleting the bad solutions. In any other level the action may be similar but
the agent is different and the code is different too [so is the judgment of
value of the effort], and it is done by the situation.
and don't forget to be gentle
Avid
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