Re: MD I like hippies

From: Fernando Carlos Farah (fernos01@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Oct 30 1999 - 02:10:29 BST


Very interesing indeed!

Fernando, the Brazilian...

>From: "Daniel Colonnese" <dcolonnese@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: MD I like hippies
>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:08:15 GMT
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>Is the MOQ a good basis to form a political movement?
>
> The MOQ has a lot to say about political issues. At least some of
>them. For example, abortion is moral so long as it occurs before the fetus
>develops the ability to think. Intellectual pattern dominating biological
>pattern. The death penalty is immoral so long as the criminal does not
>threaten to destroy the society (ie treason). Intellectual patterns
>dominate social patterns. Free trade would seem like a good idea because
>it introduces a higher degree of dynamic quality. It's ok if some animals
>become extinct because they are simply biological pattern being dominated
>by social patters. The public promotion of the Arts should be made a top
>priority since Art expresses dynamic quality. The interstate highways,
>ozone layer, public libraries, and cities are all static latches that need
>to be maintained. Furthermore, the MOQ handles political extremes quite
>nicely. Some people are really against late-term abortions. And some
>people are really against the death penalty. Few people are as strongly in
>favor of late-term abortions or the death penalty.
>
>The MOQ has a lot to say about political issues. However, it appears
>neither liberal nor conservative. Ok maybe a little liberal. But it comes
>to its platforms from Pirsig's moral hierarchy, not a left/right political
>bias. Americans are becoming increasingly apathetic and cynical towards
>politics. We've been moving in this direction for quite a while and the
>trend shows no signs of reversing any time soon. Furthermore, most people
>have already made up their minds on the "issues." They've decided a long
>time ago what issues are important to them and where they stand. If you're
>a real pro-lifer then there's no way that you can be sold on the notion of
>prevention of human life. And if you're a die-hard union member there's no
>way you're going to think free trade is more dynamic. In my opinion, the
>success of a MOQ based political movement would succeed or fail based on
>how well it fit into people's existing values. That's why both the
>democrats and republicans are being increasingly drawn to the center.
>However, the MOQ might fit American’s values pretty well. And any new
>political movement is sure to gain some support from people who are simply
>fed-up with the status quo.
>
>How can a political movement based on the MOQ get started? Well it can’t
>be a grass-roots movement. A few strong Bolsheviks must lead the way. The
>ideas are too complex for most people to understand. And a nation governed
>by a MOQ party would fuck over state and local governments. The whole idea
>of relative or subjective morality the makes powerful local governments
>effective has to be abandoned. What’s moral for Vermont might not be moral
>Texas. Under the MOQ, that argument just doesn’t hold up. We’ll ALL have
>to become vegetarians!
>
>Obviously in order to form a MOQ political movement some “ideals” are going
>to have to be trimmed back a little. What ideals should be sacrificed?
>What ideals need to be sacrificed to make MOQ sellable to the American
>public? Can the MOQ ever be taken beyond the personal quest for
>enlightenment and effect things at a social level?
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