David B and squad,
I, of course, cannot speak for the other adressees of your post but I
wish to express my appreciation for your taking so much trouble to point
out the fact that it is not my fault that I am stupid.
David says:
But the purpose of this post is
to describe and explain that axiom only as it specifically relates to
the social level's blindness to intellectual values.
And:
Lamm writes, "The individual who
identifies with the most recent of the principle ideologies thereby
identifies with man's most advanced needs.
And David lays out the heirarchy of the social and intellectual levels:
Basically, the hierarchy of ideologies looks like this...
protostatic = fascist
epistatic = conservative
parastatic = liberal
protodynamic = socialist
epidynamic = revolutionary
paradynamic = anarchist
Metadynamic = no ideology
Dr Lamm says, "The Individual who upholds the static ideologies
identifies at varying degrees of intensiveness with his society as it
is, and is prepared to sacrifice any outside factor for it.
These basic
identifications change direction in the shift from static to dynamic
ideologies." This shift to the more advanced ideologies is a change from
social to intellectual values.
David continues:
So basically the three static ideologies are more or less associated
with social level values. This includes just about everybody, I suppose.
The first three cover everything from fascism to liberalism! The next
three ideologies are associated with intellectual values and it covers
everthing from radical reformers to revolutionary anarchists! The 7th,
Metadynamic ideology is a little closer to Pirsig's "dynamic", but it is
still just at the height of the intellectual level, where you're
interested in ideologies as a phenomenon, but don't uphold any
particular one them so much as the meaning of all of them put together.
Its about analysis and synthesis and freedom from structured ideologies
altogether.
And it worth noteing that education and intelligence are related to
these hierarchies, but it not really about how smart you are. Its what
you identify with and value as important. There can be intelligent
fascists and stupid anarchists. But its not too likely because there is
an increasing level of complexity in the hierarchy of ideologies. And
they also correspond to the level of needs as in Maslow's theory, which
brings me back to the main point.
The upholders of social level values are, by varying degrees,
anti-intellectual. And in a way it is simply due to the fact that
they're not there yet. Intellectuals are percieved as a threat to those
still trying to master more basic needs. "You can't eat books" "Pearls
before swine" "You've got to walk before you run" and "first things
first". Its common sense. Its not that social "thinkers" are stupid, its
simply that intellect is beyond their range of values. Intellect doesn't
matter to the starving, lonely and homeless.
DMB
Clark writes:
You have aroused my curiousity. Are you telling me that there is no way
that an occupier of the three dynamic levels, plus the metadynamic level,
can ever be even temporarily moved by circumstances to uphold the
principles of the three static levels. Which level would you have been
occupying had you been sitting off the coast of Japan during WW11 waiting
for the invasion to begin. Lets suppose that you would have had the suasive
power to cause the fleet commander to do as you wanted. Or, suppose that
you had been sitting in Washington and could have persuaded Truman to
invade instead of dropping the bomb. Would you have felt more righteous for
being responsible for possibly another four million deaths on top of the
already 55 million that the war had snuffed instead of dropping the bombs
and just killing another one hundred thousand or so. Remember, the coyotes
were gathering for the kill. Russia just declared war on Japan a couple of
days before and were gobbling up all of the territory they could. David, is
it dark up there? Looking forward to your answer. Ken
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