Horse, Clark, and others,
Just a comment on Horse's assertion that facts and value are the same thing.
> But from the MoQ we can see that all actions or events are moral because reality = morality,
> so we don't need to deduce moral action (strictly speaking, Moral Events) from facts as they
> are the same thing.
Prior to join the LS discussion I wrote a piece that is in the forum in which I made a subtle
distinction between the two which I find helpful.
"I agree that sunshine is a fact. By Pirsig’s, and for that matter most generally accepted
definitions of metaphysics , sunshine is NOT a metaphysical fact. Why, because sunshine is divisible
into literally thousands of ivory tower, verifiable, objective values. If metaphysics is the
absolute basic building block of reality how can it be divisible into yet more basic elements? So
values are not a derivative of facts but just the reverse. Value is Value, facts are a stable body
of values which change little over time, static qualities"
I still find that facts defined as " patterns of value" for me clears up the fact/value dichotomy.
DLT
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