Platt Holden (pholden@worldnet.att.net)
Sat, 4 Oct 1997 03:49:33 +0100
> > Jarod said:
> >
> > > Is DQ to be construed as flux itself, or perhaps the essence of flux?
> > Then
> > > if DQ is "higher" than SQ, perhaps we have a return to the
> philosophical
> > > "urstoff" of the Pre-Socratic philosopher Heraclitus, who maintained
> that
> > > the essence of the Universe is flux. His classic formulation is: "You
> > > cannot
> > > step twice in the same river, for new waters move on as you take the
> > > second step."
> >
> > Jarod,
> >
> > The essence of Dynamic Quality is paradoxical. It's both dynamic and
> static
> > simultaneously as expressed in, "The present never changes but
everything
> > that changes changes in the present."
>
> If the dynamic and static properties are both present in DQ, then why the
> split of Quality into DQ and SQ? I am starting to wonder if we are making
> an error by speaking of DQ all the time. What is prior is Quality, of
which
> DQ is a sub-entity. As soon as you tack on the designator "Dynamic",
> you have a categorization.
>
Yes, you're quite right. I should have said, "Quality is paradoxical."
Quality is prior to DQ.
> > It is prior to intellectual division
> > and thus cannot be defined in words or formulas except to say it cannot
> be
> > defined. It eludes rational analysis just as the experience of
listening
> to
> > Mozart's 40th symphony eludes intellectual talk about keys, tonalities,
> > chord progressions, etc. (Music does not emerge from intellectual
> patterns.
> > It emerges from the composers intuition of DQ. Intellect tries to horn
in
> > and dominate music and the arts just as it tries to dominate society.)
>
> I would think it better to say that a composer's intellectual patterns
make
> it possible for him or her to formulate an expression of DQ in the way
that
> they choose. If music does not emerge from intellectual patterns, then in
> exactly what way does it relate to those patterns? A symphony's chord
> progressions are not the symphony itself, but that is not to say that the
> symphony's essence is not in some way dependent upon them.
>
Good point. Perhaps this is similar to the question of how does math relate
to natural phenomenon? Do we impose mathematical patterns on the world or
are the patterns built in like Plato's ideals, awaiting discovery? Is the
essence of light dependent in some way on quantum mathematics? I vote no.
But there are many far wiser than me who say yes.
> > After Heraclitus there were many philosophers and sages who maintain
that
> > the universe is more than meets the rational eye. They also maintain
that
> > DQ is not pre-rational but trans-rational, that is, above the
> intellectual
> > level. What has confused many is that since the pre-rational and the
> > trans-rational (DQ) are both nonrational, they must be the same. This
is
> > known is philosophical jargon as the "category error."
> >
> > The song, "The Lord of the Dance" reflects the trans-rational view that
> > good and evil, life and death are but two sides of the same coin. When
> > flipped into the air, the coin shimmers and dances in the light.
> >
> > I'm sure I haven't made myself clear, but DQ is an such an elusive
> > phenomenon that using words to describe it is like trying to thread a
> > needle with boxing gloves. But whenever I want to get in touch with it,
I
> > just sit back, close my eyes and listen to Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto
> No.
> > 2. A walk in the woods is good, too.
>
> It seems to me that by enumerating acts through which one can
> apprehend DQ is, at least in one key way, a descriptive act.
>
Well, I can describe how to get an experience, but not the experience
itself. For example, I can't describe the smell of a rose, the taste of
chocolate or how to ride a bicycle. Can you describe Quality? >
>
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