Magnus Berg (MagnusB@DataVis.se)
Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:12:17 +0100
Gene wrote:
>Thank you Doug, for recapping the previous posts for me. I agree, the
>quality events occur every time patterns interact and I guess, most
>valuable events happen when Intellectual patterns interact with any others.
>I'd rather use 'interrelationships' as opposed to 'observation', because
>'observation' bears for me a connotation of putting one object/subject in a
>preferred position/viewpoint of the observer.
But that's exactly what each QE is doing, putting the subject as
the observer and the object as the observed.
>Magnus wrote:
>>2. Most people who read Lila equals the biological level with life. And
>>then defines life as something that is able to reproduce itself. In that
>>case, societies and ideas are also life and therefore biological. I say,
>>No.
>
>I agree with No part, life is not only >something that is able to reproduce
>itself<, reproduction ability is one of the descriptions of life, as to its
>definition I'll hide behind the Bohr (see the quote in my previous post)
>and would not attempt to define it. But to be able to reproduce is not
>enough for a pattern to be called alive, so, societies and ideas are not
>biological.
I was saying no to the first part, the one about the organic level being
equal to life.
>Magnus wrote:
>>3. My robot society example. I think most agreed that the society of
>robots
>>was in fact social patterns of value. The problem here is, what organic
>>patterns was the society built upon?
>
>If the first robot was originally created by humans then the patterns of
>all levels imbedded in those humans are the foundation for the robot
>society.
So, if a vulcano suddenly erupted and very rare circumstances
occurred that spontaneously created an exactly identical robot,
would that robot be inorganic? organic? social? What's the
difference between the robots?
Magnus
>
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