Hettinger (hettingr@iglou.com)
Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:43:22 +0100
Anders Nielsen wrote:
<snip automated car>
> > I just don't see how the possibility of
> > AI discussion affects MoQ. If people create AI, it will be based on all
> > human social patterns, otherwise humans would not call it intelligent.
> and,
> > if the future society of robots decides to discard all life/biology on
> > Earth, they will just loose one of the levels. Amended MoQ will still be
> > useful to them as an explanation of their reality. They will still be
> > thankful to once necessary bio as a facilitator of social and
> intellectual
> > levels.
>
> Yes well..let me ask a question then:
>
> If we presume there's intelligence at least as advanced as our own
> somewhere in the universe, will these aliens then be able to use MoQ as way
> of describing their reality, or is MoQ a human-specific metaphysics?
>
I would think that the aliens might be able to come to understand the MoQ and
use it if it is valuable, just as when one human society meets another human
society it can adopt those patterns it finds that are valuable to it, often
leapfrogging to new levels of capability without having to go through all the
steps (and structures) that the original society had to create.
The aliens might not be able to even see (observe, comprehend) the human
intellectual patterns (including MoQ) at all, not having their own similar
intellectual patterns to observe them with. The aliens might not be able to
observe the social patterns, not having their own human social patterns to
compare them to. The aliens might not be able to observe the biological
patterns for the same reason. It seems, though, that any aliens who
originated within our galaxy (or our physical system, any thing that we would
define as a "place") might be able to recognize the patterns of the inorganic
level, and be able to observe, from them, that here on Earth, something exists
that is different from their own habitat, (or maybe not, if the changes in the
inorganic level are in a different spectrum than they are used to observing).
Whether the intellectual patterns of the MoQ are useful to the aliens, the
levels and structures that MoQ describes would still exist. And the aliens
could make use of them to the extent that they are perceivable and valuable.
I think, however, that it is more likely that we will be able to apply MoQ to
the study of of the existence of the aliens than than the other way around.
> (I think of making AI not as much as making an artificial human, but more
> of making an artificial intelligent alien, because then you don't have to
> explain why it can't do human-specific things like dancing or handstands
> etc...)
>
> If MoQ is not completely human-specific, constructing an AI will be making
> a machine perceive quality.
I think we already have machines that can perceive quality. We certainly have
social and intellectual patterns that perceive quality and make decisions
(allow static Quality or even Dynamic Quality to operate at a particular
balance point) thereupon. The human individual is not the choicemaker here.
The human individual is often a cog in the wheel, a cell in the organism.
Example: the ATM machine (an inorganic pattern set up by the mediation of
social, biological and intellectual patterns) decides whether or not you get
money when you stick your card in. Some human has programmed it, but the
point of decision (the Quality Event) happens at the inorganic level if the
reason you are rejected is due to your card being bent or the machine
experiencing a power surge, or a strong magnet nearby; or at the social level
if the cause of rejection is the fact that someone in an office messed up your
account records; or at the intellectual level if some boundaries have been set
by the bank and your balance has gone out of bounds.
Maggie
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