Doug Renselle (renselle@on-net.net)
Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:58:15 +0100
Anders Nielsen wrote:
>
> As far as I see it, the only thing able to percieve dynamic quality is
> humans or rather: sentient beings, but not societies, and certainly
> not
> atomic matter! (saying that dynamic quality for the inorganic static
> patterns is the quantum flux, is pure nonsense to me...Im sorry to
> sound so
> harsh, but really I don't understand what people mean when they say
> this).
>
> and to back this point I will quote Lila, p.192 chap. 13 (Corgi Books
> paperback edition):
>
> [here pirsig is talking about the (im)moralness of the death-penalty]
>
> "And beyond that is an even more compelling reason:
> societies and thoughts and principles themselves are
> no more than sets of static patterns. These patterns
> can't by themselves perceive or adjust to Dynamic
> Quality. Only a living being can do that."
>
Anders,
The key phrase here is '[by] themselves.' Do you agree that Pirsig
makes it clear that any SPoV in DQ has potential for change?
Do you agree that no biological patterns could exist were it not for the
inorganic SPoVs being in DQ? Do you agree that inorganic SPoVs evolve
and invent new biological SPoVs and so on up the MoQ static pattern
ladder?
Other members of TLS have broached the topic of how far down the ladder
we go before the constituents of the SPoVs are not living. The
classical human-centric SOM view is that only humans are sentient.
Doug Renselle.
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