Doug Renselle (renselle@on-net.net)
Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:06:58 +0100
Bo and TLS,
Bodvar Skutvik wrote:
>
> Anders wrote (to Doug) :
>
> > > 1. Pirsig's extended discussion on the battle between the Zuni
> priests
> > > and the brujo. The social immune system was 'aware' of the new
> > > intellectual pattern threat to their control by the brujo's new
> ideas.
> >
> > Wasn't this more a case of resistance to influence by Dynamic
> Quality? (the
> > whole latching idea).
>
> I had started to write in response to Doug's examples (in LILA)
> of the social level being "aware" of the Intellectual one, but in
> the meantime Anders suggested that the Zuņi priest example is an
> example of resistance to Dynamic Quality. Anders is right,
> what that particular passage really tells about is Pirsig's
> conception of the Dynamic/Static dualism (after he had rejected the
> Romantic/Classic split).
>
> But Doug's observation is highly interesting. What you say
> about the Social Level's "immune system" is valid. Diana
> and I covered the "awareness" question a while back and I
> still maintain that from within, each level only sees itself. To
> society everything in the universe is social value (of course society
> knows about Life and Matter, but they are what leads up to socity,
> while Intellect is not recognized - as such - except as dangerous
> social experimenting.
>
> The Zuņi priests saw themselves as preservers of the tribe's values
> and looked upon the Brujo's insolence as a threat to their static
> SOCIETY. They did not recognize his effort as a necessary adjustment
> to a new factor that - if not heeded - would destroy the tribe (the
> white man's culture) Or - as the MOQ can - regard him as an
> Intellectual whose ideas forced a society to change.
>
> This goes for Galileo/Catholic Church conflict too. As a SOCIAL
> institution the Church regarded Galileo as SOCIALLY destructive. It's
> impossible for a society to recognize anything except "good for
> (that) society" or "bad for (that) society". There possibly was an
> individual Cardinal or a Pope who silently recognized his
> intellectual achievement - even foresaw the development -
> but when doing so, they did it from the Intellectual mode (of value).
> The moment they were assembled to vote for excommunication og Galileo
> they had put on the social hat again.
>
> The fact that Galileo later - from the victorious Intellectual Level
> - is declared a hero just proves the point, this historical event is
> now regarded as infringement of Intellectual value (freedom). The
> Intellect peers down its own nose and sees everything as good or bad
> for the Intellectual Values. However the MOQ is a tool that makes us
> able to see this connection and give unto Caesar ....each level what
> belongs to that level.
>
> Thanks for reading
>
> Bodvar.
>
Bo,
This really helped me. Believe it or not, after all this time, I had
not distinguished that we assume those in SOM-land have blinders on in a
level while they are in that level and cannot see the other HIGHER
levels.
But those who reside in MoQ-land can see all the levels all the time.
I am ashamed to admit I seem to have missed the most important point of
all.
Profoundly, thank you!
Mtty,
Doug Renselle.
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