Dear
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Sent: Tuesday 22 February 2000 03:49
Subject: MD Random Patterns
> TO: Jonathan Marder
> FROM: Roger Parker
>
> RE: Randomness and Pattern
>
> ROGER:
>
> If you don't mind Jonathan, I thought I would brainstorm a bit on your
topic
> of randomness. The ideas here are written lightly in # 2 pencil, and
> certainly subject to change. It is a great angle though that could use
> additional exploration.
>
> JONATHAN:
>
> Let me first deal with this comment from ROGER.
> > I am also a tad fuzzy on some of what Jonathan M is trying to get
> > across (is it that "randomness is an interpretation of experience" or
> > something close?)
>
> What I mean is that any definition of randomness is as elusive as the
> definition of quality. Actually they are pretty much opposites
> (quality=pattern, randomness=lack of pattern). Thus, like quality, the
> concept of randomness neither objective nor subjective (I go with Pirsig
> on this).
>
> The determinists would have to say that randomness is all subjective -
> since eveything is determined, then the result must always faithfully
> reflect the causes. The alternative (objective randomness) obligates one
> to find a cause for the randomness, something I consider an oxymoron.
>
> ROGER:
>
> Below are 3 somewhat unrelated thoughts on randomness and pattern.
>
> 1) Randomness and pattern....... It seems that the terms are codefining
> opposites in the same way that hi defines low, hot defines cold etc. In
all
> these cases, they are actually more similar than unsimilar. For example,
if
> the class is 'height' the value is hi/low, if the class is 'temperature'
the
> value is....., if the class is 'order' the value is.......
>
> 2) When we think about random, we normally think of something
> like.....73285491066398432876438982.....etc
>
> But wouldn't this be a better version of random?.......7, orange, Christy
> Canyon, triangle, sweet, hot, .0005080066, position left, light, pi, Mount
> Rushmore, envy......etc?
>
> And even the above is patterned in terms of rhythm (1 concept per coma)
>
> 3) The MOQ values freedom. And if you think about it, which is the
highest
> degree of freedom, pattern or random? I suggest the answer is both. Events
> can be patterned or random. The freedom to change, or the freedom to be
> patterned (one such pattern is to repeat or to stay the same over time).
But
> to limit events to be one or the other is a restriction of freedom. That
is
> another reason why I think randomness and pattern (change & not change)
are
> so related. If DQ is the quality event, then random or patterned are
derived
> from quality events. Both are sq.
>
> If this is true, then it changes the MOQ. DQ is less 'unpatterned
freedom'
> or 'change' (at least the conventional use of the word) and more like your
> old favorite.....'potential,' or perhaps my old trusty term 'experience'.
> Well, regardless, I do think that random and patterned are
'interpretations
> of experience' , or 'interpretations of potential'.
>
> But I really could be wrong.
>
> Rog
>
>
>
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