clark says: Subatomic particles do not make choices.
Coughlan says: This goes against the whole theory of MOQ. You are assuming
this. MOQ states that they DO make choices. So does quantum mechanics. They
value certain probabilities over others. Isn't that "making a choice?"
Peter says:
So our world is the product of our mind!
Clark says:
Our world is not the product of our mind. Our world is the product of the
possibilities generated from the beginning.
Coughlan says: I'm sure you guys know the concept of Mu. Sometimes a
question is fundamentally bad. Like: Is it a wave OR a particle? You fall
into a trap if you ask it and you only have the answers of Y and N.
Question: Is the universe a product of our mind?
Answer: What do you mean by 'universe', 'product' and 'mind'? Fix the
question. Until then: Mu.
David says: We seem to be falling into a trap here. Trying to explain what
"reality" is. There's a difference between what reality "is" and how we
percieve that reality.I don't believe any of us can truly know what reality
is. It's beyond us. Too big. I do think that we can (and do) have our
"perception" of what reality is. And THAT is what's being described as
created or not created by our minds.
Coughlan says: Yep, this is a trap. Remember, in MOQ it goes like this:
Quality ----> DQ
|
|
\/
"Self" only has meaning in a subject/object paradigm
>From: "pclark" <pclark@ipa.net>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Subject: MD Random patterns.
>Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:26:57 -0600
>
>David, Peter, et al.
> Sitting here bored out of my skull I feel the need to comment on some of
>your observations:
>
>Peter says:
> So our world is the product of our mind!
>
>Clark says:
> Our world is not the product of our mind. Our world is the product of
>the possibilities generated from the beginning.
>
>David says:
> Subjectivity is a feature of every static pattern. Even sub-atomic
>particles
> > make choices in the MOQ, no?
>
>Clark says:
> Static patterns are objective. Subatomic particles do not make choices.
>They simply fall into a possible niche that has been prepared for them by
>the previous functioning of Quality. Someone has called this process
>"deterministic disorder" I think chaos is a good name. This is the process
>that Pirsig used to turn around causation from A causes B to B values
>precondition A. After the long trip through the life of the universe and
>awareness and sentience and the resultant complexity the end result is
>still deterministic although it may look subjective to us. Ken Clark
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
MD Queries - horse@wasted.demon.nl
To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Sat Aug 17 2002 - 16:00:40 BST